The Cannabis Battle Intensifying on Every Front | Virginia, DEA & Massachusetts

The cannabis legalization battle is accelerating on multiple fronts—and every apparent victory is triggering another legal, political, or regulatory fight.

Virginia is finally moving from legal adult possession to a regulated retail cannabis market. Meanwhile, the DEA’s Schedule III hearing is approaching its conclusion, cannabis operators are fighting the IRS over Section 280E refunds, and the banking industry is again pressing Congress to pass SAFE Banking legislation.

But prohibitionist pressure is also building.

Massachusetts voters may be asked to eliminate adult-use cannabis sales and home cultivation. North Carolina lawmakers are choosing between regulating intoxicating hemp and effectively prohibiting much of the market. Wyoming is resisting automatic state rescheduling, while proposed federal youth-safety legislation could further restrict how lawful cannabis companies communicate with adults online.

Thomas Howard and Miggy break down the legal, business, tax, and political consequences—including what these developments mean for dispensary owners, cannabis investors, patients, advocates, and entrepreneurs.

Transcript

Opening and weekly preview

SPEAKER_01 0:01

What up? It's cannabis legalization news. It's Sunday, July 12th, 2026. We've made it another week. Cannabis is still not really federally legal, but uh we have a whole bunch of stories. The DEA's hearing is wrapping up this week. And then how long is it gonna be until we get schedule three for the rest of me? Because, like, schedule three is so strange. We're in a very weird part of cannabis legalization right now. And we're gonna go over all of it. We even have a name that strained, so stick around for that. And if you want to get these 10 articles that we're gonna go over emailed to you every week, there's a QR code that you can scan and sign up for our email newsletter, especially if you're running a dispensary like Miggie and I are. And now let's do cannabis legalization news for this week.

SPEAKER_00 0:56

What's happening? What's up, dude? Do you really think though, man? I mean, the nonsense that's going on right now, um, you know, especially with like RIP to Lady G, and then where's Mitch McConnell? Do you think like anything's gonna happen?

SPEAKER_01 1:12

No, nothing's like Mitch McConnell's like the strange one was that uh I didn't see uh the one out of South Carolina going like that, you know. Yeah, that was that was something else. Lindsey Graham is now gone. And I Mitch McConnell, it's like, holy crap, that seems like he's trying to run out the clock for the next three weeks to to like kind of screw over his state from being able to appoint his successor. But um, well, we are in the upside down of legalization. I mean, we're we're careening toward the midterm elections, and nothing is coming to save us except for uh schedule three from the administration. But then what's that gonna do to hemp or full spectrum is really the only thing they seem to care about.

SPEAKER_00 1:56

Well, and I think that's a conversation that we'll

Virginia adult-use sales and hemp rules

SPEAKER_00 1:58

be having, but our first story is with Virginia.

SPEAKER_01 2:00

Virginia, yeah, because we haven't I I don't know if we've touched enough on Virginia, but this is interesting that they've changed the stats. The state's hemp rules maybe portending uh something in the future. Says the 25 to 1 T I'm sorry, CBD to THC exception is being eliminated, and that products exceeding two milligrams of total THC per package will no longer qualify for production or sale as hemp beginning August 15th. So um the hemp is really gonna be the thing that to watch and seeing what the line is. But if marijuana's going schedule three, I think hemp is gonna go back to being well, that's what it was to begin with. It was like I think Sir Charlotte's Webb is 25 to 1 CBD THC. A lot of those strains were like 20 to 1 or 25 to 1. But even then, Charlotte's Webb wasn't trying to sell itself as hemp, it was just saying it's uh a different cabinoid, you know, uh ratio, it had nothing to do with medical, it was trying to sell itself as medicine, not not as industry, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 3:00

Right, yeah. So so so uh, but it is this is the one thing I'll give the hemp, and and again, uh uh sorry, Brian, that I assumed last two weeks ago that uh you know it was just our shitty quality of producing when he was just calling you.

SPEAKER_01 3:12

No, it was the vertical, and so like I've turned vertical off, and so because we were in the same shot and and together, uh you can't do the vertical because then it just showed the the uh the little strip of the the paint between us, which terrible user experience for the people tuning in, and so I just I've turned that off. The vertical is no longer on.

SPEAKER_00 3:33

Well, like my my point being is I have did kind of like uh raise that awareness that that it is marijuana, right? Like it is like this whole pretext of like full spectrum, I just dumb shit to me, but it is people's medicine, right? Like in the same time, Virginia. There's an article from this lady, oops, wrong one. Uh sure this one's dead. Uh, you know, that there's with a new law coming, it's gonna put her daughter at risk. And at the same time, did you see that the there's an ambiguity with the law where it may be like no law for a year in Virginia?

SPEAKER_01 4:05

Like, yeah, it's gonna be a year before we get to the license. Well, the the the sales, and so like you're gonna have a licensing round probably in six months, and there's only 350 licenses, so it's gonna be the complete green rush that I've seen in other states. Maybe we'll do. I mean, we can find a couple of MSOs that want to expand uh in in Virginia. That's probably how I would have the consulting company do it, or just just continue to work at the dispensary and building software to run dispensaries.

SPEAKER_00 4:36

Well, I mean, that's if you want to be involved in that market. Again, this is Tom Talk, not like your average consumer talk, right?

SPEAKER_01 4:40

Like right, you know, Virginians let's go put 500 applications into Virginia. I mean, like that's most consultants don't do what we do.

SPEAKER_00 4:48

Yeah, but but I mean with the year gap though, do you think it's gonna be lawless for a year where they you know someone can just pop in with pounds and and it'll be like the hemp farm bill thing?

SPEAKER_01 4:57

I don't think that's gonna be like that.

SPEAKER_00 4:58

No, no, no, you think it's pretty much done.

SPEAKER_01 5:01

We're pretty much oh, I don't think there's gonna be any change between now and like when they do the eight the round, and then you're gonna have the established players Rano and um GTI. Uh I don't know who else is in there, probably uh Curleaf and and two others, but then there's just just just huge MSOs that are going to own the entire market of Virginia, sure, probably for a decade, just like the MSOs own the market in Illinois. I mean, uh two of our three largest sellers are MSOs in in our shop, even sure, and and we don't even carry most of the MSOs.

SPEAKER_00 5:39

And there's nothing you can do about that, right? Like it's just Walmart weed's been here for a long time that people have been freaking out about, you know, the the the people who figured how to do it on a mass uh production scale, right? Not every small grower can grow an acre of weed, like a good weed, you know.

SPEAKER_01 5:55

Like well, growing an acre of weed's hard, you know, it's it's a horticultural crop. Growing a good acre of strawberries, I mean, it takes work, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 6:05

Knowledge and and skill set, but I think you're right though. Once so every state will pretty much follow, except for, and I think it's one of our stories, Wyoming, with rescheduling, right?

SPEAKER_01 6:17

Yeah, but uh

DEA Schedule III hearing

SPEAKER_01 6:18

our next story is to do with the DEA rescheduling hearing moving into its final week. Uh oh, I thought that I had gotten a different link than that one. That's just the um announcement. Yeah, that's just the announcement. Check the show notes, there should be another link into it now. Yeah, and then that one is more about how the rescheduling hearing is gonna continue and then wrap up on the 15th. And then people are speculating about how long it'll take for this um uh administrative law judge to write it up. Uh, and I don't know. This one says they're looking for the ALJ's recommendation in October. Uh October, sure, maybe. Uh that's a decent, you know, estimate, 90 days for them because they have to get their hands around everything. There was like 43,000 comments. There was two, three weeks of uh two weeks of testimony, gotta get those transcripts ordered, and then they have to come back, uh, and then you have to write their you know their findings about it, and then tender that to the DEA, and then the DEA can publish its final rule. And so that it could be a while, you know. I don't know if 280E applies anymore. I think that it's it's it's extremely arbitrary that marijuana is schedule one and schedule three at the same time under our federal law right now. Extremely arbitrary, and and why the I mean, like, especially with our shop, that's a great example. Uh, the only difference between a medical patient is whether or not they've paid the tax, like the product is identical.

SPEAKER_00 7:57

Yeah, would this be an arg an argument for and I say argument, I mean like a legal argument, like for a true leave or somebody larger to take it to court? You know what I mean? Is that is that how it's gonna resolve?

SPEAKER_01 8:09

Uh well, with the administration that we have, the uh they could tell them to take a position on uh schedule three, and and you know, say like you know, it is not mean that's the thing, and this is being argued, and it's one of our stories coming up. If it's schedule three now by law, that like they say you can't do it retroactively, but it's the substance, and so the substance has always been schedule three, it's never supposed to have been in schedule one. If you go back in the controlled substances act, you find the same stuff. It was never supposed to be in schedule one. That's one of the reasons why we had the Schaefer Commission and part F of the Controlled Substances Act. It's the only reason the Democrats voted for it, yeah. And then when that came back in 1974 and saying it shouldn't even be scheduled, and so it's never fit this definition, therefore, it's all of these tax dollars never should have applied.

SPEAKER_00 9:03

But and then, like you're saying for our next story, it's the IRS, right? That's uh kind of cock

IRS and Section 280E refund fight

SPEAKER_00 9:08

blocking here.

SPEAKER_01 9:10

The IRS, but then you have to remember, I just got done the video that I recorded yesterday was just that was a because like we got that gimbal, you know how like we were playing that gimbal and then it moves around and it follows you, and then people were like, Hey, you know, I didn't like how that gimbal was moving around. Remember when like you would you do something and would turn off? Yeah, yeah. And so, like, I'm recording uh the the the video about the Supreme Court case and your second amendment rights, and it turns off, like you know, in the middle of it, and so I had to turn that off and then redo it, and now I have to edit it, and it kind of sucks because like you know, it was it's a better quality, but then it does move around a lot, and so yeah, that video will be dropping here soon. But then even in that, the Supreme Court referenced that it's already Schedule Three, and then it's moving to be schedule three. So um, I don't think the IRS should be making these arguments, just like the department uh or the the the feds were making that argument to prosecute Hamani in the US Vamani for why because he had possession of a gun and also marijuana and admitted to using it several times a week. That's a federal crime, and it no longer can be by itself a federal crime, even though the Supreme Court did not invalidate that particular subsection of the statute.

SPEAKER_00 10:29

Are the feds a little high right now? Because I mean they are both arguing against and and for, like against it with the 280e, but for rescheduling, because now it's it's it's the way.

SPEAKER_01 10:44

Uh, I think you have the issue where you have it in administrations. Uh, the administrative bodies are very large and and and huge and bureaucratic, and there's numerous of them, and so they're each doing their particular charge, and they aren't necessarily coordinating the policy with one another. Uh, you know, it's similar to like why we didn't get the social equity loan after we won the social equity license. You have different entities that are comprising the government, all doing their own particular thing and not talking to one another.

SPEAKER_00 11:15

Left hand, right hand, baby. Left hand, right hand. Don't know what they're doing. I mean, speaking of, we got Congress getting well. Do you want to talk about this there? You want to milk three minutes to the four?

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SPEAKER_01 11:25

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SPEAKER_00 12:56

And again, you're not talking the talk, you walk it. So, you know, just keep that in mind.

SPEAKER_01 13:00

We do have uh the the the that's where I got this coming up later, and then we also branded it. Just just saying, you know, there's uh a little branding going on. You get that.

SPEAKER_00 13:12

Well, it's so funny. I was talking to my sister today, and and you know, uh, she was like, Oh, you're a legal weed dealer now, like a legal drug dealer. And I was like, Yeah, you know, you're right. Like, like it's just just the path of uh like legalization. The you don't think about it when you're young, you just think, oh, I want to be able to buy this for uh whatever and walk out. That's what we do, and uh it's about that time.

SPEAKER_01 13:39

And it's 20 past the hour somewhere, so I'm gonna have to take a delicious memo while this one heats up, and then I'll take a little break after that. You're gonna hit the bumper. I got you. I'm gonna find the uh the branding shits.

SPEAKER_00 13:51

Smoke emigatum.

SPEAKER_01 14:04

Yeah, I gotta work on some more ads over the week. Um, it's pretty cool because like now the uh uh the software that I have, like we're gonna start with basic levels gonna be an MCP for talking to your dispensary. So like you hook your dispensary up to GPT or Claude, and then like you're now talking to your inventory system or your your Dutchie, uh, and then you can you can just strategize from that. Be like, what's what's moving, what's not moving, what's my GM, the gross margin, all this type of stuff. It's pretty sweet. So I'll start doing some videos on that in addition to the legal stuff. You said NPC, uh MPC model preview controller. What does MPC stand for? Model prompt controller. It's kind of like API, right? You know, but it's it's the API for the AIs.

SPEAKER_00 14:56

Somebody typed it in, but I think they they typed it wrong. They said N NPCs.

SPEAKER_01 15:00

No, it's non-player character, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 15:02

I mean, you know, it is what it is.

SPEAKER_01 15:04

Model context pro protocol, and so like it's the P usually is protocol in these types of things.

SPEAKER_00 15:10

But what's your favorite so far? Uh, someone uh Steeler has a question: what's our best-selling strain so far? Uh, probably petit déjeuner. Petit déjeuner, really.

SPEAKER_01 15:18

We we had well breakfast in French, but it was testing at 35, and then it's just a popular strain. So we had it from botanist and a rise, uh days off, and then we just ran some specials with them, and so it was it was affordable, like it was not the best gross margin. We're gonna talk to our providers and and feel like you know, dude.

SPEAKER_00 15:37

I was uh I was impressed by Poetry of Plants. Uh uh, they're their stuff coming through. Um, I mean, that was one of the things I kept buying when I was out there. Uh, you know, I was like, we got another one for today.

SPEAKER_01 15:48

No, that's the legacy, guys. Since the legacy has that contract with them, but legacy is one of our house brands. No, it's uh it was uh it's good weed. Uh letter

SAFE Banking push

SPEAKER_01 15:58

to Congress on CFAC. Right. Another fruit is from the bankers. The bankers are saying, Hey, uh, you need to do it, improve public safety. I like you know, we can't pay anything out of our uh uh out of our bank account. If anybody tries, like they just get hit with uh no, we're not gonna honor that. And then we have to like white label anybody we pay. So one of the things that we'll be doing is they've already white labeled our our company, and so uh we will just have like some type of service that we would pass on to the dispensary and be like, here's all the bills that you had last month, at least the non-cannabis bills, and then here uh because like some stuff you can pay for in credit cards, like you know, your your uh utilities and like maybe your insurance, uh your your garbage collection, that type of stuff, but the dispensary really can't. And then do you want to white label all these things or or not? And so I'm gonna talk to the bank this week about paying our vendors. Like I I would, I guess, just if I ACH them, I have to like add them. But then there's only there's there's only like a hundred vendors. Well, there's a lot of infusers, but not that many in Illinois. But like in Newton, if this was in Michigan and there was thousands of vendors, that would be really annoying.

SPEAKER_00 17:17

But still, I mean, like with safe banking and and just proper, like safe access. I I'm surprised too how like I mean, we have you know, I got this one of the things we've gone to brinks. You know, we all know the ATM people, they got little toys, I fucking got they also pick up our cash. Yeah, I just think it's amazing, like this legacy uh financial institution, though they're not a bank, you know, it's just uh in-between, but like it's always about it's it's been from the beginning about people crossing the threshold, right? Of like, this is just a another commodity, another, you know, it's tomatoes that get you feeling good, you know.

SPEAKER_01 17:52

I say it's it's at least beer, it's beer to like, and if it's really good, then you can call it wine, and then if it's concentrate, you can call it liquor. And so I think it's uh a very analogous thing to alcohol.

SPEAKER_00 18:06

I think I mean that that that's most people can look at for alcohol, but I just it's a hard stretch too, though, where if I tell the people what you think, and I'll yeah, yeah, no, I just you know for me, hey, wrong person. I just I hate the comparison because it's like if I have a six-pack of beer in a short half an hour, I am gonna be drunk legit, and and then it's not feeling well for maybe an hour or two. Whereas if I if I smoke a whole eighth or or try my damnedness to smoke all this right now, I am just gonna want to take a nap, most likely.

SPEAKER_01 18:43

So I get the comparison because we need to create these markets and establish them, but it's so frustrating to well, like from a from a type of product standpoint, I mean like uh your beer would be like your flour in the sense that that is the lowest concentration, and then your concentrates would be like your spirits, is that it's you've taken the plant and concentrated it down to make it like 85 THC. Cooking with FSHO coming at local dispensary later this month.

SPEAKER_00 19:15

I think we well, we're gonna have some great uh classes, but I I just still think we have so much to understand about the plant, right? Guerro Gross commented about us if we uh trust the test at 35, not for flour, not for infused, yes.

SPEAKER_01 19:28

Like and so, like if it's an infused pre-roll and there's a lot of that going on, but then like you know, that's where we have our uh tax level in Illinois. The the higher potency has a higher tax, uh, and as a result, you know, you don't really want your flour testing over 35 because then now you're not paying the 15 tax, you're paying the 25 tax, and it's gonna hurt sales.

SPEAKER_00 19:53

Yeah, no, it it and again, we are still shaping up uh as uh Massachusetts

Massachusetts rollback ballot

SPEAKER_00 19:58

still shows. They have an issue of the rollback marijuana legalization officially qualifies for the November ballot.

SPEAKER_01 20:04

I think, yeah, of course, it's gonna qualify for the ballot. Uh uh that state is one of the easiest states to uh uh certify a ballot initiative. Is it? Yes, and so that's them and Arizona. Those one of the principal reasons why Sam targeted those two states to uh try to unwind uh cannabis uh legalization. And Florida has like done the opposite. Like Florida made it them like very difficult to uh uh uh uh change their law by the ballot initiative as they they were able to do for medical cannabis, I believe, in Florida, uh, because it passed with like a certain amount, like 57%. And then there was a ballot initiative to say, like, we need to raise what it takes to change the constitution in Florida to 60%, which also passed, I believe, by 57%. And then uh since then, nobody's able to pass any ballot initiatives in Florida. That's hysterical.

SPEAKER_00 20:57

Someone wanted to see my Pearl Jam banner. That uh Pearl Jam. The the history of that is it fell off a off uh of a the uh our uh like a subway system we have out here. Yeah, and again, why do you advertise a show and put the word sold out on in front of it? Why are you still advertising? It's called exclusivity.

SPEAKER_01 21:15

I'm just saying it's building hype. Did you know that for a limited time you have some great deals?

SPEAKER_00 21:27

Well, yeah, no, there's limited deals every day, but uh we

North Carolina hemp regulation

SPEAKER_00 21:32

got this new one, uh Puff Up Ass. What's this about? North Carolina. Everyone agrees North Carolina's hemp industry needs to be regulated, including the hemp industry. But you want to be weed. That's that's all I don't get these arguments, man.

SPEAKER_01 21:44

Well, North Carolina has a vibrant, uh, intoxicating hemp community, and that's where a lot of the money went, especially to the farmers and the distributors. So they they say that it's uh look at that uh assembly cities estimate that 1.8 million an annual. Annual retail sales. Wow. Look at that. Hemp at 1.8 billion in annual retail sales, 16,000 jobs and 88 million in sales taxes. This is just arguing for them to legalize at least medical. Make uh make North Carolina, Oklahoma medical. Just open. Or like make it a North Carolina, like uh Washington, D.C. medical, where you can go self-certify, sir. Do you have an ailment? Oh, do I? Do I have an ailment? And you don't even need a doctor involved. I go to work every fucking day. Of course I do.

SPEAKER_00 22:37

Monday on a Friday. I'm just saying, though, man, this hemp argument. Everybody trying to be like, oh uh, yeah, I agree. We should regulate hemp, but like real regulation comes down to like again THC percentages, uh, cannabinoids, uh, you know, the you want to be we know purity, and then it becomes the the limits on the license really is an issue of compliance.

SPEAKER_01 23:03

And so if it costs you a hundred thousand dollars to get open and you don't really have limited licenses, cool. If it costs you a million dollars to get open and you don't have limited licenses, no, like you're going to have people that have done that tried to comply and gone broke, and so like you've created a system that just uh puts itself out of business or furiously rewards centralization of capital. So, like only corporate cannabis will be able to play in that pond because nobody else has the ability to do the burn until you have you know put all your competitors out of business by selling it at a loss.

SPEAKER_00 23:38

Yeah, yeah. No, seriously, there's a bleed in the beginning, no matter how how how good you are, right? Like, there's gonna be this uh brand awareness, I guess, right? You gotta let the people know you're there, and then you gotta to like to to produce you gotta be you know able to repeat and rinse and repeat the same thing you do that people expect, right? Uh, I I just you know it's such a weird thing, legalization in a whole, right? Because it has enabled deep, deep pockets to be the only main players, right?

SPEAKER_01 24:11

Arizona, Kentucky, uh Washington State is well had like yeah, it was you were able to get in, but then they pulled the ladder up, and so I always had the ladder pulled up, but then they made it social equity, which just increased the tomfoolery, if you ask me.

SPEAKER_00 24:28

Well, even in the beginning, though, like that's the the the deep pockets where like different people lost so uh retirements because of like putting it all in one thing, then a moratorium happens, or a new and that's the thing about regulation. When we talk about compliance, it it if you know what you're doing, you you can kind of know what to expect right away, right? If you're a restaurant, you know you gotta have a clean kitchen. Uh, you're tech you're checking food at different temperatures. There's different processes that you gotta follow. It's an agricultural product, it's a you know, if you're gonna be a grow, you know, the compliance is just meaning you're doing your best to to like give the best product, you're not trying, you know, there's nothing special really, except you got another paperwork, right? Like, where to follow, where to where to apply. Uh uh, you know, those are the parts of the compliance that you need to do that. But I think everybody's bitching about most of the time, you know, like oh I don't want to file this with the FDA and let them know where my grow is at and all this other bull.

SPEAKER_01 25:23

Yeah, people hate being regulated, but yet they want safety. Don't tell me what to do, but you if there's no rules, but 911, someone broke in. Hey Grunts Court, appreciate that 911 is on break. I'm sorry, just you're coming off a little needy, you know. But yeah, thank you for the super sticker. Uh, no question with it. Just here's a sticker. Hey, I appreciate it, man. I'll take it.

SPEAKER_00 25:47

Uh, what else we got going?

SPEAKER_01 25:49

Oh, here's the other one. Uh, North Carolina governor is named Josh Stein. Is that a true thing? And then he's got this quote in here uh a well-regulated market that puts public safety and public health at its center. That'd be great. I think Schedule Three is really gonna make states like North Carolina pop with a medical cannabis program. Why not now? I mean, it's federally legal if you do a medical program. But like all the other states that are waiting Wisconsin, Indiana, uh uh, Tennessee, uh, North and South Carolina. Georgia sucks, but yeah, Mississippi's pretty good. Uh, there's there's no shortage of those states that could go, like in Nebraska. Nebraska could finally do their uh dispensary licensing round in Idaho and Wyoming, but Wyoming went a different way, didn't they?

SPEAKER_02 26:38

That's gonna be one of the stories that we talk.

SPEAKER_01 26:40

So, like, our states aren't all the same, yeah. And and some are just they they still have their heads stuck in the mud, but here's hoping that uh North Carolina figures it out, and then we do actually have something we haven't played in a while. Yeah, some name that strain. Um, hey, out of beverages, and so like I was gonna go running. I'll talk before, yeah. Yeah, I got six seconds. This is why we need to do bits where we've already like recorded like a couple of minutes, and then we'd have like a better break time. You see what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_00 27:14

I mean, I

Name That Strain: Black Amber

SPEAKER_00 27:15

guess all right, let me pull him out. What up, everybody? Oh, wrong person. You like that chair? You like that chair? Oh my god. So yeah, we got Wyoming, that's our next story. We have uh Wyoming Attorney General. Oh, pull my man out. I gotta pull him out. Hey, here we go. Oh no, he's still in there. I suck. Wyoming attorney general block state marijuana rescheduling that would trigger by Trump's federal reform. This is really one I really can't wait to talk to Tom about because how the fuck does a state override a fucking uh federal policy? You know what I'm saying? Like, and I'm sure there's a nuance to it that like I'm not seeing, but I just don't get yeah. Well, you know, he's in the same office, it's all good, man. And again, we appreciate every single one of you motherfuckers hanging out with us. You know what? I do have a silly bumper that oh, there you are.

SPEAKER_01 28:18

Yeah, yeah. I I I thought we were playing name that strain.

SPEAKER_00 28:21

No, we won't well. I was waiting. Well, I I I totally got high and forgot.

SPEAKER_01 28:26

Oh shit. Well, it's right after story seven, and so I'm gonna no, we're good. It's zoomed in. Well, what I did was I preempted the story. I should just deal with it. Um yeah, we're not gonna say the name of the strain, but that is it. Uh, this was a great deal. I got it for 20 bucks. Now it's uh 28. Okay, change our prices, but yeah, uh, it is a growth. Where is its parents? Oh, oh, it did a terrible job on this. I have to correct this one.

SPEAKER_00 29:00

Still has a good suggestion of Nugging the Week.

SPEAKER_01 29:03

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it is a parents are GMO with Oz Kush BX2, gas and spicy cushion.

SPEAKER_00 29:13

Oh, yeah, that's nice, dude. Is it gassy? I imagine it's more of a peppery. Is this one of the ones you're smoking? Have you smoked it?

SPEAKER_01 29:21

Yeah, that's the one that I uh I'm vaping.

SPEAKER_00 29:23

Oh you really do like the vape as far as the the combustion goes, not like straight flower burning, right?

SPEAKER_01 29:31

Uh, well, especially it's called the um what's the prohibition against smoking smoke free act of Illinois 2021? Because you're in a building. Yeah, I'm not really supposed to be smoking in my office. Uh I've set up an air filtration system. But then I still to try to cut down an odor, you know. And then I hide behind my medical card, which I really need to update. And my mic's over there. Oh, you're good, you're good. I heard you. Medical card needed to update. Right. Uh so anybody got that GMO crossed with OZ Kush.

SPEAKER_00 30:07

Not seeing anyone. We got mode breath, is not it.

SPEAKER_02 30:10

Funky aroma with foot and diesel.

SPEAKER_00 30:12

What's up, Chris? Uh what up, Cloud? Let's see. Smoking super booth today. Good on you, dude. What am I smoking today? I'm smoking this one, which is one of the reasons why I'm not saying oh, let's see. Yeah, I got the pinnacle green by Khalifa Kush. Hey, $80. This one is Indica Dominant.

SPEAKER_01 30:33

$80 uh oh or half?

SPEAKER_00 30:35

Yeah, ounce.

SPEAKER_01 30:36

Oh, nice.

SPEAKER_00 30:37

Little popcorn buds. See Tom looks actually stoned today. Oh shit. You're getting some tom looks like Harold of Kamar getting high on a plane. Hell yeah, yeah. Not cheetah.

SPEAKER_01 30:54

Not cheetah piss. No, this one, it's a genetic cross of GMO and OZ Kush BX2. Funky Rommel with fruit and diesel. Fruit and diesel.

SPEAKER_00 31:04

Right. Diesel's good shit. Let's see. No, I'm not seeing any not garlic cookies. Oh wow. Uh weed helped uh only chud quit uh smoking. Good on you, buddy. Not Wi-Fi fog. Wi-Fog. Wi-Fi, Wi-Fi OG, my bad.

SPEAKER_01 31:27

This one, like the the GMO and the OZ Kush, like I don't I I don't understand where they got the name of it, but then if you look at it, you can see how dark it is. Well, you see that and now my head has become the actual nugget itself. Uh that that darkness of it uh has to do with one of the uh uh clues for for the naming, and so uh that darkness synonym for darkness, and then a different word, which is also another color.

SPEAKER_00 31:58

Yeah, no, you can you're good. You you reveal it. Somebody's hating our uh our uh AI thumbnails. I I really like today's AI thumbnail, actually.

SPEAKER_01 32:07

You know how hard it was to do a thumbnail back in 2021? You used to have to pay a guy, and he would want as many dollars as possible to do your effing thumbnails. And you're like, bud, this is a hobby of ours. Seriously, he's like $30 for a thumbnail.

SPEAKER_00 32:21

And I'm like, bitch, dude, the $300 we get from YouTube is not gonna pay the bills.

SPEAKER_01 32:27

Oh my god, no, that that barely that doesn't even pay rent sometimes, especially anyways. Orange Kush. No, there the word cush is not in this, but anyway, that and black black is is in it, it's not black. Afghan. Oh, so close to it. It's a different one, it's a different one, it's not great, babe, but uh it's black, and then another word starting with a which is a type of color. DOT will force.

SPEAKER_00 32:53

I don't think DOT will force uh uh piss testing once rescheduling happens. I think uh the rules are the rules no matter what they are, right? Piss testing's not for schedule three. Um that's it, you know. I I they would have to create new rules for that, you know.

SPEAKER_01 33:10

I mean, they might enforce a lot of new rules that need to be creative. Oh, but we got it in a while. Yeah, Woody got it. Woody got it. Black amber.

SPEAKER_00 33:19

Okay, so did uh first and then we got a half one, we got a black maple.

SPEAKER_01 33:25

Yeah, well, you know, uh the black amber, those are uh for sale somewhere in Beacon

Wyoming fights automatic rescheduling

SPEAKER_01 33:32

across from the courthouse, across from the courthouse, Tasman Cannon's courthouse, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 33:38

So back to the uh let me pull that one out for you. I got it.

SPEAKER_01 33:42

You do that, I'll take care of okay. That one's gone. Great.

SPEAKER_00 33:45

We're good, and then uh uh the story that I was leading into that uh I know nothing about. So I'm curious, man. How can Wyoming block a federal goddamn rule?

SPEAKER_01 33:55

Like well, they really can't, but then who's gonna enforce the federal law in Wyoming? Uh well, I mean, like if they were well, maybe maybe that's what I'll use the um the cat cash flow from the dispensary for is to just be like um now I'm just a country lawyer, and as all these laws like keep changing, I just like I find the victim, and then I'd be like, no, it wouldn't be nice if you had somebody to defend you, and then like we we crowdfund my my legal funds because like I'll uh it's gonna be fifty thousand dollars a month, easy. Of uh not just my time, but the team's time. We need that type of budget.

SPEAKER_00 34:38

I just won't I just want to be a lawyer one day, just so I can say the two youth. The two youtes, yeah. The two youtes. No, I'm just a humble country lawyer. I wear belt and suspenders, Shiana. Go no. Hi, nice to see you. Uh uh, they're like hubby and I made it to life feed today. That's tough as fuck. I think it's cool. We have people hanging out. Not black cherry OG, anyways. I was going through the jets.

SPEAKER_01 35:03

Oh, yeah, we gotta go to the next one. We're on story seven now.

SPEAKER_00 35:06

All right, so we got the house passes, right?

SPEAKER_01 35:10

No, that's that's Wyoming blocks automatic stay rescheduling, right? I I don't know, yeah. I don't think that that's gonna be able to withstand scrutiny. I mean, the supremacy clause is the supremacy clause, but would they clause? But who's who's enforcing the Wyoming law? Wyoming. And so, like, you know, is this gonna be like the integration of the schools? Are they gonna call in the National Guard to protect the medical patients that move to Wyoming? That's well, what I would like to know, what what type of rights, but then it says the state, you know, and so that state doesn't have it, so they've created this patchworth clause, but then when do you get like into dormant commerce clause types of issues and and other type of uh regulation? Then so you're the citizens have different rights as to what is medicine? Oh, it sounds like a research product project and maybe a video, and maybe a lawsuit will happen plaintiffs in the future, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 36:03

But like, and again, if I'm a patient, it's rescheduled three. Does that mean once it's rescheduling happens? Because I believe there was talking to VEA. Once rescheduling happens, that my doctor might be able to prescribe to me. So is this gonna be a overall? It has been rescheduled, officially locked in, done that.

SPEAKER_01 36:22

That was the April 23rd state medical programs are legal, they're they're they're schedule three. And you can get it into interstate commerce so easily. But if you had a your medical card in Washington state, why couldn't you then?

SPEAKER_00 36:43

If it's really legal, that's that's what I'm saying. That's where I see the lawsuits being not locals, but people want to enjoy the countryside or whatever it is out there. There ain't shit in Wyoming, really. But you know what? That's where I got my goddamn arrests.

SPEAKER_01 36:59

Hey Wyoming, thank you for your fucking uh question of whether to remove any type of marijuana from schedule one is for the Wyoming legislature, says his AG Keith Cowes. But that's um uh uh when they pass the Controlled Substances Act, not all the states have like these trigger laws, only about two-thirds of them do. So, like when it goes to Schedule Three, uh two-thirds of the states, it's now schedule three in that state, but you know, it depends on what the trigger uh deadlines are, and so April 23rd is one of

KIDS Act and cannabis advertising

SPEAKER_01 37:35

them uh for for the federal, and then like all those triggered uh in those state legislatures happen after that one uh over the course of 30, 60, 90 days, and and now you know, you know, about 15 of the states they don't use that trigger law, get in line with the federal law. And I bet Wyoming is one of those states.

SPEAKER_00 37:56

Wyoming was even when I was going through it, it was stuck in the 30s or whatever. It was it's an interesting place. Yep, we've got the house passes youth safety bill could complicate marijuana business online outreach. Did you uh look into this one and on what they're actually stipulating that's different? I didn't dig into this one because I mean, like, there's some of these go ahead. No, I've been working. What you mean running a shop that we fucking are still just trying to like pay off?

SPEAKER_01 38:27

No, that that still try to pay off will probably take like another nine 12 months, you know.

SPEAKER_00 38:33

Yeah, yeah. No, I'm just saying, like, that's your priority right now. But uh, the bill would prohibit covered online platforms facilitating advertisements for cannabis narcotics. I mean, like, what the fuck's the difference now? Prohibit advertising, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 38:46

Like, so it really won't be a change to any of the uh operators that are out there. Uh, you get into First Amendment rights, though. And so, like, do you I mean, why do you think when you watch the local news or the evening news, uh, you know, the the national evening news on your local affiliate, why do you think that's basically brought to you by Big Pharma? Because they have a First Amendment right to advertise to patients or aka customers. But do you remember and so like if marijuana is schedule three and it's medicine and eventually it's legal uh federally, wouldn't you have the same uh First Amendment amendment right to to speak? Uh, just like if you were oh my god, there's so many of them. Like, I didn't there's there's diseases I didn't know existed that there's medication for. There's diseases on top of diseases for medication. It's like, god damn.

SPEAKER_00 39:44

I love the ones about like are are you like uh opially constipated? Well, here's another pill for that. It's like Jesus Christ, like everything just to balance your butt like so. This just went through the house. This is not even a rule yet. It's still gotta go through the Senate and then get signed, right? So, how does that work?

SPEAKER_01 40:00

Oh, of course, of course. But this is one of those ones where not only those complications, uh, I I could also see a challenge, uh uh legally saying, like, hey, that's an interference, yeah, that's infringing on our first amendment right to commercial speech. I think the commercial speech arguments for the the medical cannabis companies like TrueLeaf and and uh many of the other ones, Verano just was was publicly saying that they I believe do about 60 percent of their business is medical, so that would be you know 60 of their transactions, it should should have like way less tax liability now. But but then that whole tax liability issue. I'm not sure if that's our next story or if we already covered that one.

SPEAKER_00 40:40

Uh uh no, we we already covered with the 280 IRS.

SPEAKER_01 40:44

So we yeah, we already covered the IRS one, but like I mean this this this rules are so well that the it's new with the IRS then it's it gets back to then how much can we attack the the 280e applying to marijuana like forever? I mean, like if it's it it's always been that substance, yeah. You know, that's so it should have never been in schedule one, and and but then like there's only so many years that you're eligible for a refund. Would it just be for the max, like you know, three years back?

SPEAKER_00 41:16

I mean, uh that's kind of the problem with like progress, right? Because there has to be like this reparations type thing that people think there has to be, but like this is why I think rescheduling is so important as far as locking in as medicine, right? Because we have to lock this plant in as medicine that there's no ignorance behind it, right? Because, like you said, it does have protections with like advertising to customers. But do you remember a time with like alcohol and cigarettes? You know, we had Joe Cool and Marlboro Man and fucking Budweiser, Spud McKenzie was like that. Was like the Super Bowl, you know, like every other commercial. How often do we see alcohol commercials and everything else? Now it's been what more regulated, right? For the recreational use, but like it does have medical properties even alcohol's medicinal properties for some people, right?

SPEAKER_01 42:08

How many advertisements are out there for gambling? Shit on draft kings every day, right?

SPEAKER_00 42:15

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. We're all gonna lose our shirts. But again, it's not a rule yet. This is just something that was past the house, unfortunately. Then we got uh okay.

SPEAKER_01 42:28

It doesn't matter if anything passes, it seems like Trump's not gonna sign shit until you get him that disenfranchisement law that uh that he wants passed, you know. The the show me your your uh birth certificate act to to be able to vote.

SPEAKER_00 42:42

Yeah,

Hemp ban, Kansas politics, and cannabis standards

SPEAKER_00 42:43

again, how are you gonna have a bipartisan housing bill just sit on your desk and fucking be like, nope, nope, until I get the election I want. Nope, I don't give a fuck about you. How is it we can spend all the money that we spent so far bombing the shit out of other people that we could have already paid for like fucking universal health care? Yeah, already done.

SPEAKER_01 43:01

And then remember how he's gonna solve that war in our uh in Ukraine on day one? Day 700 under the dome. It's not 700, I mean, but like it we're we're more than a year in. He started a new one, and now he's bombing like some other island. Releasing UFO pictures. You just need to legalize it so we can fucking just give you high for this shit. Uh well, that's it really helps. It really does help. Yeah, it's a tool. That's all I'm saying.

SPEAKER_00 43:31

It's it's a fucking tool. Forward, yeah. Yeah, there you go.

SPEAKER_01 43:34

Homeland Security Secretary.

SPEAKER_00 43:36

Yeah, pushes Congress to keep hemp TAC product ban on track, warning of the Chinese threat. I mean, you had me up until the lit the end.

SPEAKER_01 43:45

Oh, I mean, it's it's it's the the organized crime. That's one of the ones they always blame blame is the organized crime very often from China. They always say the they the TCOs, I think, like transnational criminal organizations. They say that they infiltrate the cannabis market in the United States. And the easiest one to infiltrate, of course, is hemp, because there's really no rules, and then they're just growing wheat. Uh, and and and and then the the vapes and the vape carts from the that hemp that they've grown or processed, you know, those very often come from China too. That was that bust back in September.

SPEAKER_00 44:23

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 44:24

I don't think, I don't care if Mitch McConnell's dead, I don't care if Lindsey Graham's dead. I don't think that you're gonna see any saving of uh what what hemp's definition currently is before November. I think after November, and that's settled, then we could talk about full spectrum. Maybe then we could talk about two milligrams per container. But uh, I don't think you have that discussion at the federal level before the election. I think you have it after the election, after it's taken effect.

SPEAKER_00 44:55

And again, you're chasing the the weed. You want to be weed, you want to be cannabis, you want to be marijuana, you don't want to be hemp. You're just trying to be full spectrum hemp on the edge of a of a of a dumb rule. Yeah, the 0.3 TAC rule. Like, like I think that just to me is the most infuriating part of all this. Is like this plant could have been probably legal by now if people weren't so confused about the difference of like, okay, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, 0.3 percent. You're about to have a good time. We gotta we gotta plant the brakes in that, and right uh uh you know, just you realize that the plant doesn't make Delta 9, right? What but it's like the the hurdles we go through just uh to be able to go to a store, pick up product, and go home and be left to fuck alone. Somebody commented earlier about like VA loans. Uh because talking about VA. Well, no, but like yeah, I mean how about even a home loan, but like so, like, even as a VA home loan.

SPEAKER_02 45:55

We were opening a pizzeria or a bar, we could get a loan, dude.

SPEAKER_00 45:59

I could qualify for so many business loans.

SPEAKER_01 46:01

Oh, yeah, veteran, minority, you know, you got the 51.

SPEAKER_00 46:05

We'll get all those certifications, yeah. But each thing's different though, like when it comes to those loan shits, right? Because, like, as a patient, if I were to get a VA loan and and in my home grow and smoke, it'd be fine. You're the loan doesn't get rescinded. But if it was a business for a cannabis store, I'd have to lie first before I even get in there.

SPEAKER_01 46:24

You know, there's not supposed to do that on loan documents, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 46:28

You know what I'm saying? There's intention with the thing, right? I tend to live in my house, and this is how I live, opposed to I want to make money from this. You know, I like money, everybody does. So does Kansas, apparently, sometimes cannabis emerges as an issue in Kansas governor's race ahead of the August primary.

SPEAKER_01 46:50

Well, I mean, federal illegality is no longer going to be an impediment to medical cannabis reform in the United States. Now, Wyoming is gonna Wyoming. We talked about that. They're like, whatever, not until Wyoming says we have it, do we have it? Which was funny. But Kansas, North Carolina, Indiana, Wisconsin, Tennessee, the other Carolina, those are it, maybe Idaho, but I highly doubt it. Uh, Iowa could revisit something a little bit more liberal than it currently has, same with Louisiana or Arkansas, they might open up a little bit more, but um it's gonna be interesting to see what happens with the regulations in in places like Oklahoma, where they really don't have security regulations like they have them here in Illinois. And so, like, is there gonna be a standardized federal security regulation?

SPEAKER_00 47:48

Well, I think practices will happen. Yeah, that's that's that's a great question. You know, you guys Illinois is like a uh legalization process, the way you did it did prevent a lot of like messed up things here at Washington State. We have a big issue of people crashing stolen cars into front doors and stealing product and shelves, you know. Yeah, we have to you have to put them in a in a safe at night.

SPEAKER_01 48:14

Ain't nobody gonna break in and still not only that, like the the the alarm is so sensitive that uh you get report, like it goes off all the time. And so, like, you know, because uh a train went by, or it's the the first Tuesday of the month and they're testing the sirens, and the the vibration the windows was enough to trip something. Uh it's such a sensitive thing, yeah. I mean, and then you have like the cameras, and then you have the retention of the cameras, and then the battery backups of the cameras and and and the rules about how you have can't you can't do business if the camera is not functioning. Um high degree of compliance cost to do your operation. Another high degree of compliance cost to do your operation in the state is that the license itself is $2,500 a month. Yeah, it's insane.

SPEAKER_00 49:07

But you know, I think if we can pull this off, as states have done and pulled it off, like you'll have states like Kansas where this is no longer like a public safety issue, right? Because you know, the real safety issue is safe access to people for people, you know, whether it be patients or adult use, you know, we provide that safe access. Like that's where these emerging states need to look at and go, Well, the apocalypse didn't happen in Peking, right? With the pot shop right across the street from the courthouse.

SPEAKER_01 49:38

Bob has cancer, he should be able to get good good cannabis if he wants it. That's been tested and that's safe between him and his doctor. That's their business.

SPEAKER_00 49:49

100%, man. Like, like, like it, we're getting there, right? Like, like here's a an article out of uh uh Good Morning America. It was uh doctors expert urge caution as some moms say marijuana makes them better parents, right? So there's a whole segment about marijuana, yeah. But like, and then if you scroll into Bob mode, it's so funny too. Because here's the warning it's from this um, what are they? The uh uh it's like the addiction specialist, right? Here it is. Oh cannabis is not medicine. We don't have the rigorous trials we do with the FDA approved medications, and again, this is bullshit because that's that's technically correct under the Food, Drug, and Cosmetics Act.

SPEAKER_01 50:30

So it's like it's like arguing that cannabis is dangerous because it's schedule one, but for a different law. Like that's literally what that is to analogize, you know, because that's what lawyers do, they make sure analogies they use like and as a lot, but then uh uh she is making the argument as like a factual point that because cannabis cannot be FDA approved under the FDA rubric, it is therefore not medical.

SPEAKER_00 50:58

That's that and that sucks because people like Sam cling to that argument, and it almost sounds legit like you're right, this can't be medicine, but then you have people like like Dr. Greenspoon, like I you remember his dad, uh Lester, so his son's still working at it. He had came up with a book about like for senior citizens. Good, so you know it is fucking medicine. That's my whole point, right?

SPEAKER_01 51:21

It's his dad, Peter, lived into his uh 90s. Oh, yeah, so did Willie Nelson, and I have a you know, suspicion that Tong Mee Chong might also make it into his 90s, just a little bit, yeah. Just a few more years than you get it, dude.

SPEAKER_00 51:39

Uh longer than Lindsey Graham.

SPEAKER_01 51:43

Well, that's the weird thing. Like, I didn't see that coming, did not see Lindsey Graham going. That was uh that was left field to me. Uh, what is this going on with Mitch McConnell though? Like, because I weekend of Bernie's weekend of Bernie's.

SPEAKER_02 51:59

Uh, I think Mitch McConnell might be uh uh well the uh there's like some some deadline about August 3rd or something, and so that's the thing that we should look at.

SPEAKER_01 52:08

Like you go go you guys go look at that. I'll I'll watch a YouTube on that later. Like, what is this August 3rd deadline that has to do with Mitch McConnell's strange absences?

SPEAKER_00 52:17

I think it has to do with see. I uh I watch uh crooked media, uh pods of America, and uh they they have a really good breakdown on it about like just what could possibly be why, but and again it's all you know if you don't do politics, politics do you, you know, but yeah, uh it's been an hour, and I appreciate everybody hanging out with us, man.

SPEAKER_02 52:37

And then did we cover all of our stories?

SPEAKER_00 52:39

We did, and and then some, and actually, I have another one too. Did you see this one? Let's do another one for the group. Well, this one's from NIST. So the National Institute of Standards, they put out the suitability of cannabis scales. To me, I think this is gonna be like this is fucking NASA shit that people are considering like what is the best scale for the yeah, right?

SPEAKER_02 53:03

Is it is this just for the plant, or is it gonna be standard?

SPEAKER_00 53:06

Because like, like, you know, the gist of it is really neat, so it comes down to like right now the higher recommendation the recommendation for for most uh commerce in all the states so far have been uh class two skills, which are like class one are like super sensitive, uh 0.001 grams, right? Milligram measurements. Class two is like 0.01, uh skin higher level, higher accuracy, right? And then there's class three, which is like you know, least accurate, but still good enough. And what they're saying is class two is waiting way too more accurate for what's needed for this measurement because you have the moisture involved and the air involved, like with a plant, and there is no like set like every other product, there's no product that has like this is what you need to meet uh for a measurement. Uh any every commerce product doesn't, you know, cannabis falls already in line with other things, so they're saying uh a lower class scale is recommended because you won't have this uh uh amount of error that's already gonna happen because you're looking at too high of a resolution, you know, because the moisture is gonna happen, uh, and air is happening, and that's it. They're saying you're doing it too hard, too good.

SPEAKER_01 54:33

But I'm glad that we're gonna have standards because then once we have standards, you can have GMP or whatever. I don't think that's it. Uh the Food Drug and Cosmetic Act is there, and marijuana is an odd duck, and it has been through the entire drug and scheduling process. So I think it's gonna have to have its own legislation eventually passed and signed into law that cleans up a lot of this stuff. But I don't think you get that until you really have this uh hard-to-have uh juxtaposition between it being not an FDA-approved drug, but a Schedule III drug under the Controlled Substance Act, right?

SPEAKER_00 55:11

Yeah, that we have the science behind. I mean, we already have many science behind it, but with rules behind it now, like recommendations from institutions. Come on, FDA, get off your ass.

SPEAKER_01 55:22

Well, they probably want to wait until after November, to be honest. Sad. We'll see. We'll see. Anyway, that was uh Canvas legalization news for the week. Another week over at the dispensary, and then starting to do the law firm again, uh, which is going fine. I mean, it's one of the nice things about your law practice is it's uh sticky, and then so you can kind of like let it collapse slowly and then get back to it after you have the dispensary back open.

SPEAKER_00 55:52

Right on, dude. And uh I can't wait to get back out there again one day.

SPEAKER_01 55:55

Well, uh, to be honest, I'm not sure if I'm gonna do more law or I'm gonna do more consulting. It might be more consulting because that's where the software to run the dispensary is, and then you can help. There's like 15,000 dispensaries, but only like 300 of them are in this state.

SPEAKER_00 56:08

We are learning so much from everybody just showing up and buying things, like like the the analytics are I like like you said, that's important, right? Headset, all these other fuckers know. I mean, it's just another goddamn commerce, you know. It's unfortunate that it gets treated the way it does. Yeah. Oh well. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 56:27

See you guys

Closing

SPEAKER_01 56:28

uh next time. Thanks for hanging out.