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🚨 Breaking Cannabis News: Federal Lawsuit, MJBiz Recap & Shocking Illinois Ruling! 🚨

Join the number one cannabis legalization podcast where we bring you the latest updates from the federal level, including a federal lawsuit with implications for cannabis scheduling. We dive deep into the implications of potential changes in cannabis law for 2025. Also, get a comprehensive recap from MJBiz in Las Vegas, including highlights from the MJBiz awards, product reviews, and key industry insights. Moreover, we discuss key takeaways from an FDA webinar on cannabinoid regulation, address the Texas push for cannabis legalization, and analyze a surprising Illinois Supreme Court ruling regarding cannabis in vehicles. Don't miss out on this packed episode filled with news, discussions, and expert opinions! #CannabisNews #MJBizCon #CannabisLegalization #FederalLawsuit #FDA #TexasCannabis #IllinoisCannabis #THCA #Delta8 #IndustryInsights

00:00 Welcome and Introduction
00:49 Federal News and Legal Updates
01:46 MJBiz Recap and Industry Insights
02:10 Federal Prohibition Lawsuit Discussion
03:36 Cannabis Scheduling and Legalization Debate
07:31 Health Concerns and Cannabis
09:06 Trump Administration and Cannabis Policy
21:39 MJBiz Awards and Industry Recognition
32:54 Employee Satisfaction and Nevada's Weed Quality
33:54 Vegas: The City of Casinos
34:59 The Dry Climate of Nevada
35:57 Texas Cannabis Legislation Updates
37:31 The Hemp Market and Legal Challenges
40:46 Illinois Cannabis Laws: A Paradox
43:09 NFL's Updated Substance Abuse Policy
45:05 FDA's Webinar on Cannabis Products
48:56 The Future of Hemp and Cannabis Regulation
01:01:15 Conclusion and Future Prospects

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Transcript

Speaker: 0:13

Hey, thank you so much for joining us. You're tuned in to the number one cannabis legalization news podcast that you can find here on YouTube or wherever you get your podcasts were distributed basically everywhere. If this is your first time, thank you so much for joining us. We have quite a few things we're going to do a lot of federal news. And then on the back half of the show, we have a deep dive from a webinar that the FDA did while most of the industry was in Vegas. We'll do a recap of MJ biz and a whole bunch of other stuff. And so if you've been joining us for a while, great. You've probably already liked, and you've subscribed to us, but if it's your first time, feel free to do that. We have a lot of uncertainty going into 2025, so that is going to be our first news story. What will 20 well, actually, it's going to be about a lawsuit that has federal implications and then we'll get to 2025 let's do some trending news and bring on our cohost.

Speaker 2: 1:14

Hey, everybody. Hey, dude. Do your focus thingy. I don't know if it's me or you know what I'm saying? I'm just gonna move.

Speaker: 1:23

It's gonna move around, going over here, but you're, yeah I'm coming a little blurry you're saying, huh? I, is it

Speaker 2: 1:31

me? I'm also old and cross-eyed, so I don't know, man. But lemme know folks. Is

Speaker: 1:36

Tom to you? As far as I can tell, I look, okay. But, yeah, what was the big thing that you had? Well we'll get into MJBiz. We were in Vegas for the week. The best part about Vegas is leaving. And like, when you leave Vegas I, I just, it's so human, where I live, that the dry desert air was really hard to get used to. to you, Stu, but we had a great time.

Speaker 2: 2:03

Yeah let's give Tom a break cause he is recovering, but yeah, man number one story today so far for us, right. Is appeals court hearings, arguments and marijuana case seeking to block federal prohibition enforcement. We're going with this case here, right? The lawsuit was filed in the U. S. District for the District of Massachusetts, Western Division by a multi state vendor, Verano Holdings in the Massachusetts based campus Camp Revisions and Weiss Care Farm, under the words, MSOs. MSOs. But these cases, right, that are brought up that are big, like this most people are like, ah, I don't want Walmart weed. But who else is paying for this kind of shit that the least trying,

Speaker: 2:43

but this case has routinely failed over the past 20 years. However, over the past 20 years, the nation's cannabis hodgepods of laws have gotten very silly. And because of that it may be becoming more and more right for schedule one marijuana or the whole marijuana laws at the federal level, just to be. Ruled arbitrary and completely silly. Right. That does not mean that the Congress, that the court is able to then legislate. They could just say no. They've done this before. Back in 1969, the court just said no. You can't do this. That was Leary versus the United States or United States v. Leary. I'm not sure if he counterclaimed or just raised it as an affirmative matter or a dismissive case. They That was it. Like having the cannabis be a tax was violation of the fifth amendment. And so this one, like having the cannabis being schedule one and completely illegal, unless you're in one of 38 States or one of 25 States for complete, full regulated use. Yeah it doesn't make any sense. The only sense from the federal. Marijuana laws being in schedule one is so that they can collect double taxes on it. As you're not allowed to deduct the costs of operating or carrying on trafficking operations in a schedule one or schedule two substance. So you can't deduct your expenses if you're dealing cocaine or marijuana or heroin. All right. However, you're not allowed to really charge for pharmacy taxes on pharmaceutical drugs. You're just supposed to gouge, right? Is

Speaker 2: 4:18

this an argument though, the, isn't the whole CSA? Illegal or unconstitutional? Is that the argument here or is it just because of the

Speaker: 4:26

scheduling issue? Yes. Yes. And so like the whole CSA is completely constitutional. That is the there's no way the CSA is unconstitutional. It's just the scheduling of marijuana in schedule one that is bananas. And so if they're trying to say that's bananas the most recently when they. Visited this back in 2004 with Rach, the V Gonzalez it was completely different because by then it was all legal. There was no weirdness with treasury or attorney general. So like a treasury, like here's how you bank cannabis. Here's how you launder money. Okay. So that is a FinCEN guidance. And it's only about 7 percent of financial depository institutions will actually accept marijuana businesses. But that's gone up. And so it's seven, it might be up to eight by now. And if it goes to schedule three, heck, it might be 50, but we don't know how long that's going to take. And that's silly. And then they have the enforcement aspect of it, which is silly. And then they have laws that defund the enforcement aspect of it for the medical purposes as well. That's also silly. And so this all probably arose from a 2021 case. Standing akimbo, which did not Answer the question of illegality. They didn't take it Clarence thomas just put in like a little commentary on it. We did some shows on that but that's been three years ago

Speaker 2: 6:03

well, I propose that even just the concept of schedule one is silly as far as like here's this like number one public enemy number one toxic if you inhale it it's gonna degrade your your organs inside, right? Like the, everything has a purpose. I think when it comes to a chemical drug that we consume for medicine. But I think having a, something like heroin, It's also morphine, but it's a schedule one. So it's very constrict and pairing that with a cannabis is quite silly, which makes the whole concept of schedule one silly, right? Rescheduling is definitely the next move, even though de scheduling is the ideal move. That's it. Hey, there we go. Legalization

Speaker: 6:53

in a nutshell. That's we'll keep you posted as to how this case progresses. I'm a little cynical and I don't mean to be. It's just that we've been following this for like well over 10 years and normal has been filing a case just like this for 50 years and they've never worked and so I'm just assuming tomorrow will be like today but in the future and so it will also not work and so we'll bring you more maybe. Maybe that's how it gets legalized. I don't know, but let's talk about what the heck is going on with the national forecast. Now that Trump is going to win in 2025, we'll soon be here. We have a K we have a, an article out of, I think the New York post brought this and they discuss Health concerns like cannabis hypermesia syndrome. You hear about that. And of course, schizophrenia. Did you know that's on the rise? Unless you look at the data, where it's not. And then mostly individuals, young individuals, 12 to 25 are the ones that get hurt the most from the cannabis laws that we currently have. And what will the Trump administration bring? That's really what the story's about.

Speaker 2: 8:04

Well, and again the health part of this well you no one's dying no one, but the CHS is a real issue. Here in Washington state we just had a whole cause Tom and I follow all the sexy news and they did a whole like. recent thing on CHS, what their observations were like PowerPoint. And it was interesting because what their findings are for people who self identify, cause it's still not a medical condition identified, but people who are just isolated saying, this is what it is. They're still associating like the high, like the concentrates with it, right? It's not so much a flower. This wasn't an issue from the 70s, 60s on. And again, know your body. This is the whole reason why legalization is important. Cause at least you have an option, right? You don't have an option. Now you have an option to lose your job. You have an option to go to jail, but you don't have an option to treat your body for a health issue. Your vitamin needs to eat, see vitamin. Yeah, we'll see.

Speaker: 9:05

We'll

Speaker 2: 9:05

see how this goes.

Speaker: 9:06

President elect Donald Trump has said he backs cannabis legalization, and it should be done correctly, is what he said. And that medical marijuana is great. So will it be? What's going to, what's going to that mean? How do you legalize it correctly? Is it, and medical is great. And it's schedule three first and making sure that everything's safely through that before you drop it. And then you can start taxing it because you usually don't tax. Pharmaceutical drugs, but marijuana is the botanical not a pharmaceutical drug

Speaker 2: 9:39

It's really so hard to say in this administration coming up like what the fuck is gonna happen. Like what in adulthoodness self awareness type for the people Legislation is going to happen, right? Like everything, Oh, RFK is going to ban Skittles and make everything good because fluoride and the government's trying to kill you already with microchips, of course, Elon's going to fucking give, got the company for the microchip. So what the fuck?

Speaker: 10:06

Like the reason why the AI progress have stalled is because it's sentient and it's trying to only drip us the information so that we stay hook, line, and sinker. It doesn't want us to know how smart it already is. It's lying to us to manipulate you, but there's lots of interesting news from this New York post article that it reminds me of some stuff when we were, I was talking with people in the hemp industry at MJ biz. And they are just, they just don't think that they're going to shut it down and it's 28 billion and you can't shut down something. It's 28 billion. And then while I'm coming back from it, I read how TikTok is going to get banned. That's constitutional. And so that's more than 10 times the size of the hemp industry.

Speaker 2: 10:57

And again, this is a issue that if politicians really cared all of them, if any of them cared as a policy thing with real purpose and betterment for Americans. Because that was the other thing about the MJBiz is I try to appreciate for an advocacy side of it's I think legalization is going to, it creates jobs, it creates opportunities for other Americans for the most part, except for if you're an oligarchy with like investment money, right? Just, but there's layers of things that we'll get into later about like just what we saw there, but. Essentially though yeah, this is not, none of these fuckers care hopefully the rescheduling ball with the legislation. Cause that's how we get real fundamental change is with legislation for your rights. And hopefully rescheduling happens. If they keep pulling the butt fucking, hopefully it doesn't pause a committee. I don't know, man. I've seen so much, just like shenanigans with this one plant and the law.

Speaker: 12:05

Yeah, but they, that was one of the things when I was flying out on Monday, they had that hearing and by Tuesday they have a very long drawn out process with various hearings that go from January, late January through until early March. So all these hearings are going to have to get heard. They may try to do an appeal and talking to you. That fucking plaintiff jackass. Stop delaying this process. Unless, if you delay this process, I wanna boy I wanna follow you, I wanna boycott you. And picket you. And you're like, but I'm exerting my rights. I think you're abusing the process. I don't think you're exerting your rights. I think you're a plant, I think you're just trying to delay things as they've already been delayed because they granted this hearing and that by granting this evidentiary hearing after 43, 000. And so that just shows the lack of control that the Biden administration had over its justice department. But still after 43, 000 comments and then the HHS is compelling science you couldn't not have an evidentiary hearing to Make that quicker. It's because you'd rather have ice cream, Mr. Biden. You'd rather have ice and then also your that's not delusional. What's it when you fall into dementia? That's what you have. And it's, it sucks. I don't, I think you would have done better than Kamala. Cause he would have actually gotten more and you didn't vote for him I still lost.

Speaker 2: 13:42

Yeah like we're going to have to put up with what we got for the next, whatever happens next, but the rescheduling Paul says, rescheduling ball rolling is a glimmer of hope. I think for a real change, it's not really

Speaker: 13:53

rolling. And now it's

Speaker 2: 13:55

started, but it was, it

Speaker: 13:58

was rolling and then it, now it's buffering the rescheduling process is buffering. It could be buffering for years if they take this up. And so like judge Mulroney was like the best part of that hearing. And then there was some lawyers that have wonderful practices of being a lawyer. Who's an administrative. And trying to get like attention for themselves so they can do more administrative stuff and not really build a business. Anyway, so they did a decent enough job, but then the judge is like an old had or old hand at this and he was guiding them toward the goal that they all should want to be getting to unless they don't want marijuana rescheduled. And yet, if you get enough attorneys in the room, the only thing that you will have is an argument.

Speaker 2: 14:46

Well, and again the law itself, this process, what do you call it? When they try to legislate through the judicial system, right? Cause that's legislating from the bench. I did a

Speaker: 14:55

legislating from the bench on Wednesday. We'll talk about that. Actually, we'll talk about something else when we get back. So hey, it's 420 somewhere smoke. If you got them. Yeah, that's right. Did you know that you could get a product sponsorship on Cannabis Legalization News? If you're watching this and you have a license, you should probably put this up in your dispensary or your other grill or whatnot. And so if you go over to cannabislegalizationnews. com backslash sponsor, you can figure out how to get your brand sponsoring the show. Now, of course, we do not just want we'd prefer if it's not a marijuana brand. That's okay if it is, but ancillaries will not get us canceled and we are looking to not get canceled. No hemp unless that is actual hemp. And so rope, not dope. If you have a line of hemp seeds, we would love to sponsor your brand. Heck we'll do it for free. Even if you're from Lithuania, if you're from Lithuania and you have a line of hemp seeds, we will still huck your product for free. And you could be sponsoring for 20 somewhere, but it's one of those things where we get viewed a lot and product sponsorships, according to the cannabis YouTubers that we fell in with. When we were over there, shout out to all the cannabis YouTubers that we got to see. That was fantastic. We do have a piece of video coming up next week with one of them, and then we'll have other deep dives with the other ones as we reach out to on a more individualized basis.

Speaker 2: 16:38

Well,

Speaker: 16:38

the whole, I

Speaker 2: 16:39

mean, it's just, it's a real meta, if I might say, to walk around MGBiz like we did and have people like recognize you. And I know I've been doing this for a long time, like the festival perspective versus the actual business side. It's I. I used to be recognized in festivals because as a volunteer, but to be at this business association type convention and people identify and recognize us, and then, Taking pitch. I was just, it was like a contact tie of just ego. But thanks for just stopping by and stopping and saying hi to us. That's all I got to say, man. That was just really cool that we do have an outreach. Fucking hit us up.

Speaker: 17:24

Yep. That's why I want to give a shout out to the nice person that gave us this. This bling because you need cannabis bling. One of our viewers owns like a, it was a packaging store. And so they have a packaging factory and then also a cannabis blink. And it was just hilarious. Miggy's walking me through one of the things and he's Oh, Tom, you got to get a, there's a fan over here and booth like 8724 or something. Cause there's a bazillion million booths. But yeah, for everybody who stopped by it was very humbling to meet you. And that's why, We're gonna, we're gonna continue this cavalcade. That is what Trump might do. A Rolling Stone article came out today, in fact. And so weed industry isn't feeling too anxious about Trump 2. 0. I know that I'm not. The only thing I'm really feeling anxious about are the people that he puts into power and whether or not they want to continue to legalize. Natural weed, or if they continue to criminalize it while allowing synthetic weed to just run rampant throughout the streets. I don't think either one of those are really going to happen. I don't know what's going to happen, but we're into Rolling Stone. The industry ain't too anxious about Trump 2. 0. And that was very much the vibe.

Speaker 2: 18:40

Yeah. Yeah. Well, and actually there was a lot of people with Mac ads, I ain't gonna lie. I almost felt like I was going through a place with competitor flags for a second, but like a little uncomfortable, but it was okay, man. But the Trump thing though again, like I said, none of these guys care. He never cared truly. So I his, in the article they talk about how so far the one good person for DEA that guy stepped down because apparently the COVID thing was like a controversy, like the stupidest shit we make controversies, but also None of the other people he's appointed so far have been pro cannabis the VA appointee not a pro we guy You know, I'm just it's gonna be a matter of how whatever message gets packaged and put in front of his desk Right, like that's all this dude has to do now like best life ever. Fuck. Yeah, I approve. Fuck. Yeah, I approve What do I get out of this? That's we're going to be a stalled. I think, I don't think things are going to be unless rescheduling happens or a farm bill gets passed through everybody's in a safe place right now

Speaker: 19:51

Yeah, we're going to see I think we're going to see real change when it comes to what the farm bill says or what the definition of hemp is. And will we get continued Schedule 3? Will Schedule 3's rule tie it all up if hemp just becomes what it is, an agricultural commodity, and then using the plant is something that's dealt with in the Schedule 3, or if that's too far, somewhere out there, somebody will There's too many monies on the line. There's a lot of monies, billions. And so there's too many monies where if it comes out too harshly against the hemp monies, they'll use what they can to buy lobbyists and file lawsuits.

Speaker 2: 20:33

Yeah. Yeah. I

Speaker: 20:34

mean, they've been taxed the

Speaker 2: 20:37

money to flow around like strippers when it comes to this industry like the lobbyist politicians some of the people we met like that was the whole thing about like at MJ biz shout out. Cause thanks for the free pass for press pass, but The, it's do it in Vegas is like the epitome. It was like, if you could make cannabis industry into a living animal, it'd be in Vegas cause there's all the sex sell stuff that, you know, and then there's the, it's 21 and older. It's an adult use. Then there's the actual intellectual conversation about the science behind it. Then there's actually people who give a fuck about the plant and want to do best for patients. And there's some people with spray turps and then the hemp. It's a, it was a Gilgamesh of the perfect storm for what this thing is. I

Speaker: 21:32

think yes. Well, that is our next story. Our next story is the state of MJ biz. And so story number four highlights from the MJ's international cannabis awards for 2024. Miggie and I skipped it. There is no podcast of the year after mid Mita won that last year, they retired the category, but We have several of the awards that were given out. This is very interesting. How many of you are tuning in or doing it for the awards? Jesus. You are all right, man. Way to do that. Thumbs up. Subscribes. You're getting awards, social proof.

Speaker 2: 22:13

And again, this is another example of just what is like 30 and not right. But also what is in an industry, right? This was somebody who said that this is an example of this, the HR awards, right? You had the best accountant, but these are all still essential things needed in a How would you say a new industry still for new, I don't know, but anyways, like a nascent industry, right? Like it's beginning merging. There you go. But and things that you don't think about, right. Cause my biggest thing too, if for legalization, if you're an accountant you went to school, college, whatever, you're good at it. You can probably be a good accountant for weed too. That's, it's all transit, you're a lawyer. You've been able to I'm a lawyer,

Speaker: 22:58

but if I do this right, I will be a retired lawyer at this time next year. I have to stop taking new clients in the line down the dogs and cats that I have currently. Now it's not that they're dogs and cats. It's just that Law is what we would call Np hard Or it's a non deterministic polynomial time non complete and so like it can iterate and just mushroom on you. Cases take forever. Hey, guess who didn't get served with the lawsuit the second bullshit lawsuit against me this year me because I was in vegas I didn't accept service because like I don't want to put perpetuate the abuse of the legal process, but I get to, and the motion to dismiss will be on file by Friday. And then I to a journalist.

Speaker 2: 23:49

I love working with this guy, guys. It's like talking to somebody and we started as friends, right? And then we have this. Just pot shop coming up. Right. And I'm already winning, but with the guy who's a previous lawyer, like I already, like I got the lawyer looking out for my business already because it's all for his self interest. Hey kids, if you want to fucking do okay, go make a friend, go to law

Speaker: 24:11

school, go to law school, it will suck. And then it'll get better, but more on the MJ's cannabis cultivation company of the year. Royal queen seeds should always be hemp, by the way, advocacy organization of the year. Last prisoner project. Next year, freedom, grow, freedom, grow, throwing money on your commissary since you got locked up law firm of the year. Vincente used to be Vincente Cederberg extraction slash concentrate brand of the year, the clear and a clannibus flower brand of the year, American weed co. So let's get a quote from the president of Royal queen seeds. Shy or Amashi. Thank you to all the customers and people who voted for us. We couldn't have won this without your support. Of course.

Speaker 2: 24:57

And the irony here is again, like the, I don't want to say irony, but I'm going to say almost mockery of the, like the existence of it needs to be, every industry has something like this, whether it's tech fucking other products that are agriculture. You have people who specialize and are just focused on a commodity and that's the weird thing about the evolution of what this Legalization is right? Everybody wants it to be homegrown and we all want it to be that way But it's not gonna happen. I'm, sorry for the fifth and eighth time But like I don't see fucking trump or any yeah, I don't see trump. That's the option right now, right the four next four years Is Trump figuring out some way to have this a priority? Not gonna happen, but we have people presently working in this growing and evolving industry with the different states. Every state has a fucking rule. Shout out to all the people that attend. And again, thanks to Major Biz because I learned so much. About the ways people work with the hemp industry, you don't have to, cause we all know hemp again, champ's going to happen. Sorry to tell you this folks. If you're in ham, get ready. Unless you're doing things the best way, which we'll talk about later.

Speaker: 26:13

Go ahead. This industry is fricking plagued with change. And yeah, just because it's been really good for you for the past two, three years, doesn't mean it'll be good for you for the next two to three years which gets us to the next thing. We were over helping MJ meet up. Do some podcast next year if we were able to get our dispensary open and then also win more lawsuits while they retire from the practice we will sponsor that so that we could be live from the floor of MJ biz. I hear from other youtubers that know better than me. Live streams really don't start picking up attention until after they're into our three. We never do that here. We usually stop by our 1. 5. And so next year we hope to have live streaming brought to you by cannabis legalization news. And maybe we'll partner with MJ biz con and Mita to ensure that more people see about it. Cause that was a thing that I noticed. Attendance was down. We couldn't even this bling is brought to you by, gosh, I could remember, I wish I could remember their name of their store. I know. Do you remember the

Speaker 2: 27:27

name of the store? Dude and I said I'm going through all the business cards I got and everything. I lost your fucking bag. I'm so sorry. If you're out there, hit me up at 420 binary Gmail because I lost your card. I lost your bag. So I don't know how to find you, but we really, I do have your necklace though. I got my necklace too. But

Speaker: 27:46

man, thank you very much. Next year, you'll be able to go to our mutual booth and then it'll be live stream. So we already have 313 people tuning in. We're at minute 28. We're not at minute 280. If we had been streaming all day, there just might've been hundreds of people tuning in.

Speaker 2: 28:09

Well, and shout out to TVP. The whole MJ biz event even though there was less people, like it seemed like thinner, I don't know, but I felt and maybe because we have a store and maybe because I'm more curious about the actual, like, How people make money at this. Everybody wants to be curious about how people make money at this weed game. Right. Like one, one thing is like one of the most people that I've met with real wealth, they didn't make their money in weed. There were other pre things before they got invested, which is like, Oh, fuck me. This is I'm glad I got a real, like I did.

Speaker 4: 28:39

I

Speaker 2: 28:39

did. I always said,

Speaker: 28:40

don't quit your job.

Speaker 2: 28:40

Just even with my job though, like I've done okay. We're like, In life choices, if I had no kids, I'd have so much more fucking money and fucking nice things, but it's fine, right? I find it's fine. But like the scene, the real wealth, we're guys talking about 6 million deals or bought us our 3, 000 dinner. That was amazing to see like real adults, like who, who made decisions and done things and are like, this was, there was never a path when I was selling weed. At the sucking side of fucking Mrs. Field's cookies. There was never a path for me to be in a legal industry when I was 18. And again, 21 is the limit no matter what. Right, right. We met young entrepreneurs at 30 who were millionaires, but yet you could still, it's the branding thing. It's wholehearted to describe how do you want to be a family restaurant? Right. Do you wanna be the, like one restaurant that like,'cause that's not a thing. You want to have the restaurant run itself so you can be in fucking Cabo. While the restaurant's running. That's what they

Speaker: 29:42

Oh no, I'm not going to mention, I'm not going to name drop any people's names on that one. I'll wait and see if that's all right. And then I'll do it. Hey, you know what we should do? Let's watch what we're fighting for. There you go.

Speaker 5: 29:58

T. H. C.

Speaker 4: 30:17

Okay, we're back,

Speaker: 30:18

but that is an exceptional hybrid from across of Barbara Bushman, South Africa, F2 and frosty Pilgrim, not the snowman Frosty, the snowman. If I was making a cross with frosty Pilgrim one of the parents, I would then see like Maybe subzero crossed with Frosty pilgrim called Frosty the Snowman. I don't know, but well, I'm, it's a, just there,

Speaker 2: 30:49

there's a number involved that, that's a pheno, right?

Speaker: 30:53

An F two, no, an F two is not a pheno. And so like an F two is usually it. It depends on how many times it's been crossed. Like the numbers will usually be a pheno. And then the F two, F three, the F one's usually like the first cross. Like you, you back cross. We need to have a geneticist on. I do not know.

Speaker 2: 31:10

No, but F4 though, is that a thing? Do you know in the chat?

Speaker: 31:14

F4 is a thing, I believe. I think that's when it's stable. Once it's down to F4, then I think it's supposed to have stable genetics. There's your first book. It's an F four. I was just trying to go with there's a number and a name. It was an F two. It's well, all right. Maybe it is. But it the number though, so it says this is something number four, when it's something number four, that's not F four. That's whatever number in the female hunt, it was like, they're all F four F threes maybe. And then you're seeing which one to put into like production, but this is why you would need The geneticists as a guest to explain that to us.

Speaker 2: 31:54

Well, I thought it meant generation. Like I thought it was like the cross. No. Rebrand.

Speaker: 31:59

Like Gorilla Glue four was one thing. But then that they will just have different numbers because those different numbers are like usually whatever because they're all the same genetic. They're just different phenotypes of the same genetic and they number the phenotypes.

Speaker 2: 32:17

Yeah, it has a number four to the folks. And it's a lovely note though. I think a little hand trim props.

Speaker: 32:25

It's a soothing and uplifting experience, which makes it sound like we're very close, calm and centered.

Speaker 4: 32:30

Yeah.

Speaker: 32:31

Hey, Manny, why don't you give the people, while they're trying to guess this nug, your honest evaluation of Hardin from Las Vegas and the pre rolls that you purchased, grown in majestic Mojave Desert that is Las Vegas.

Speaker 2: 32:49

Everything in Vegas, it feels like a strip club. But it's fine Hardeen. Like I get a great branding though. I did talk to the butt tenor lovely woman She says she's been with the company for seven years and that's how I judge a place, right? If you're a happy employee doing a thing that's cool And they seem to be okay, right succeeding or having a living wage all that stuff, but I'm still There's no good weed in Nevada. I don't think it's just our Dean dude I got one. I like just be like you got shitty weed. No, there's no fucking good. He

Speaker 4: 33:20

made was it even their brands? Was it even like their, was it even their house brand? Or was it just Dude, I paid 80 bucks for four joints. Fuck all that shit, dude. So like

Speaker: 33:30

Five joints. One was free. No, that was free. The fifth one was free. So you didn't pay for that one. Just makes it worse. Like Way to do that Vegas, making it sound like you're an even worse deal. And then when reached for comment as to being a bad deal, they get said, you didn't lose enough money at the tables. I love to comp you, but you didn't lose enough money at the tables. And then I go, what's the table? Why the fuck is your airport designed like that? Vegas? Why? And then why the fuck is everything a casino? Everything's a goddamn casino in Vegas. Even the airport. Like I didn't break anything. Thank God. But if you go to the hospital in Vegas, can you like gamble there too? Are there like fucking skee ball? It's not skee ball shows you how much I gambled, but slots are slots at the hospital in Vegas. Cause they're fucking everywhere. You get arrested. Do you have to gamble in the back of the cop car? It's just ridiculous. And then the airport was so poorly designed that you get there and it's like a hub where like a whole bunch of gates. And then right in the middle of the hub slot machine.

Speaker 2: 34:45

But again, why can I find good cocaine anywhere I want? And I thought I'm doing cocaine, but I'm just saying, why? I guess I could find cocaine anywhere I want, but I can't find good weed. Legal, good weed. Like you were

Speaker 4: 34:54

trying to find cocaine. I wasn't dry. Of course I was like, I was hitting my

Speaker: 34:58

nose a lot. Cause I'm like, Oh my God, it's so dry out here. Yeah,

Speaker 4: 35:03

I

Speaker: 35:04

guarantee you must be what beef jerky feels like. Oh God, who's got hot tea. All good. Hot tea. I can breathe some humidity. You get done taking a shower. By the time you dry off, you look at the shower and it's already just dry. That's messed up.

Speaker 2: 35:19

Get better, Nevada. Just get better. That's all I got to say. And I know that is

Speaker: 35:22

much better than it has been. Like seriously, don't go back to the seventies, Nevada, whatever you do. No, you're doing just fine. Okay, let's end this one. Frosty Bush number four. So this is Frosty Bush number four. It's an exceptional hybrid, born from a cross of Harbarbara Bushman South Africa, F2. And frosty pilgrim.

Speaker 2: 35:44

We got bumper for answer.

Speaker: 35:57

And now we move this cavalcade to state news, specifically the state of Texas, not all bad news last week. They're coming to shut down your hemp industry in 2025 and by they I mean, your elected officials, not her. She's a state representative who's maybe also coming to shut down your shit. But she introduced a house bill in total way to legalize recreational cannabis for adults in Texas. And then allows for storage of up to 10 ounces with a 10 percent sales tax and cannabis products. And then she is contrasting herself with a Republican Lieutenant governor, Dan Patrick, who's coming for all your THC products. Other lawmakers are looking to make recreational marijuana legal in the state. So the. The schematics or the layout that is the industry in Texas, cause it's billions of dollars and 8, 000 dispensaries. And if the Republicans are coming to shut it down for hemp, those guys can start sponsoring these Democrats. And say well, let's legalize all of it. And then we all have dispensaries.

Speaker 2: 37:05

Who knows? They're actively doing raids, though. I've seen that in the news in my feeds. Where there's lots of raids going on at the hemp in Texas. You're right, they are cracking down, dude. They are we'll look out, yo. Depending on where you put your money. Yeah,

Speaker: 37:23

that was hilarious. Like I was having some conversations with Bob nice guy, retired. Oh yeah. Yeah. Bob, he's an international international has she smuggler from. Morocco. Now, of course, if you have all the legal rights to do it, are you really smuggling? Let's say trafficker who has retired from the practice of the law and now is moving weight from Morocco into Europe. God bless him doing real God's work. But he thought that just by magically calling marijuana and synthetic marijuana at that with a lot of the hemp derivatives or just THCA flower marijuana, just rebranding it as THCA hemp would be fine and so I go, What are you kidding? Do you think like the anti abortion crowd would be fine if you just called the procedure on pregnancy? Be like, Look, I'm not going to get an abortion. Just going to get a small on pregnancy. And so that is all we needed to do. That was the one thing to legalize weed. Maybe we don't call it weed. We just call it THCA hemp and say, that's all we needed to do. Come on.

Speaker 2: 38:38

Well, and again, you don't have rights. You don't have real rights. You can lose your job and all this shit. You consume the legal product. And also I'd like to make clear, Tom doesn't hate him. He does not Tom's a lawyer and it's just the hemp market invades upon. I think

Speaker: 38:55

they set back progress to legalizing natural weed by a several years. That's it. That's what I think they've done. They've cheapened. They've also made it look like we're criminals that are scoff laws. They're trying to skirt the laws and we're trying to sell dangerous products to kids for money.

Speaker 2: 39:15

Yeah, and that's something we'll go talk about with the FDA video. But one of the things I wanted to point out too about the whole hemp legality thing. That I learned from MJ biz. Another fruitful thing about going to this thing is like you, you networking conversate and you learn different aspects of what's happening in different states and how to do things. But also when we had that conversation about the dude and is it the same dude about his the white listing on and USPS? So no, that was the other guy. Okay. So you gotta ship products, right? I didn't know, like you can go through hurdles and legally be on a list with the United States Postal Service. And you can ship all your products. And if your shit ever gets stopped, you'd be like, no, I'm on the white list. And then your product gets released. That continues on its little journey. You can't do that with a UPS. You can't do that with FedEx because you don't have rights with them. So like another reason why infrastructure is important, right? Like they, they almost killed the United States post office last term. What the fuck's gonna happen the next four dude? I have no idea, but like I'm scared.

Speaker: 40:22

Oh, Okay, Miggi. You think it doesn't make any effin sense? Well, let's go to Illinois news which makes like we should do shit that I didn't see coming because this is Captain Cuckoo Bananas Crap, and so there is a bumper for shit that I didn't see coming, or there used to be. Here it is. Mere weeks after the Illinois Supreme Court said that the smell of burnt cannabis alone was not sufficient probable cause to search your car, The smell of raw cannabis alone is probable cause to search your car. Because while Illinois has legalized cannabis for smoking and getting you high, also known as marijuana federally, they have only legalized it if it is transported in a sealed odor proof container. So the Supreme Court of the state has now sent a very absurd Hard to process in your brain and asking for legislative change of an opinion saying that while burnt marijuana is not probable cause to search your vehicle because smoking marijuana is legal. The smell of raw marijuana is probable cause because all marijuana cannot be in a car and must be transported in a sealed, odor proof container. Only in marijuana, your honor.

Speaker 2: 42:03

Your honor, there's no way. That he could have pulled me over in and for legal reasons'cause it's all burnt in my car. That's right. There's no way

Speaker: 42:12

So that's it. So now if the cop goes, that smells like we're all marijuana in there and go oh, it's burnt. It is burnt it right now, bitch. It's burnt. Is that, is, that is not. I disagree. I have, I am gonna call Snoop Dogg as my expert. Yeah, I smelled their car. Smelled like somebody was smoking weed in there. Not like just transporting raw weed in there. Holy crap. That is just like that is so crazy. Like they have two opinions that come out within a couple of months from one another. One saying smoked marijuana, not probable cause, raw marijuana. Probable cause. Fix it, Illinois General Assembly. Fix it, legislature.

Speaker 2: 42:57

And again, I wouldn't call Snoop Dogg because he's slinging fucking THC 8 9 or whatever the hell, no. He's slinging him, no. Whatever, dude. Come on.

Speaker: 43:05

Get your bag. All right, you're Snoop Dogg. Get your 95th bag. Speaking of people that have bags the NFL has eased their restrictions and updating their substance abuse policy. And so the THC threshold, I, and I don't know how these work, but it's a, it's gone up from testing positive from 150 nanograms per milliliter to 350 nanograms per milliliter. Maybe the NFL and this new policy is where the science needs to go when it's schedule three, so we can't figure out how you can test positive on the road. It's Hey right now zero tolerance is terrible. Anybody can get pulled over and test positive for THC and have a hard time having 350 nanograms per milliliter, not five. 150 350.

Speaker 2: 44:00

It just occurred to me though. This would be a perfect opportunity for those studies, right? When they scream about, we need more studies like we, these are modern day, get gladiators, right? Like these guys are the epitome of fitness. It's a great and an allergic, like it's good for the brain, man. And but it's good for their body, right? Well, why is wellness fucking under the gun here? it's part of our issue in society. I think we don't have an opportunity to truly treat yourself, right? Like you can be all the vegetarian you want, but you got to take this pill or you want to be holistically all you want. This is a great chance. And hopefully we'll get a real DUI level to eventually, right. Understanding. The human body and then how we operate under these conditions. That's what we need.

Speaker: 44:55

Now should we do a deep dive? Like I thought we would get to this five minutes ago, six minutes. Oh, yes.

Speaker 2: 45:01

That's a good story. It's good to talk.

Speaker: 45:03

We have a deep dive and this. While everybody was in Vegas, the FDA decided to put on a webinar regarding cannabis products and the potential impact on patients. They focused in a great deal as to the whole cannabis plant when it comes to its medicinal use, which means hemp was involved. And how it is dangerous and where, for example, if the cannabinoid regulation and safety act were to pass or when schedule three becomes the law of the land how FDA may use its authority under these processes and procedures. To clean up some of the unregulated intoxicating cannabinoids that are filtering around the country. And it was fascinating. And so we are, we've put the link to this webinar is in the description. I may also just throw it out into the chat so that you guys can have, you just did great. And so maybe come on over here and tell the people your opinion on it, and then we'll go through this stuff.

Speaker 2: 46:12

I thought it was, you know what, dude it was I watched it last night while my kid was doing her thesis, like school stuff. So it's a 50 minute video and it's well worth the watch, right? Even if you're, this is one of those sexy, boring things. I think like you truly enjoy it. Cause it breaks up things like see to sell it gets into a quality control. It gets into why hemp is not the preferred. And they even call it unregulated, right? Everybody screams on how they hamper no, we're regulated. Matter of fact, I saw so many damn gummies. And MJ biz, it's like, it is a there's a cluster of wealth right now being in the Delta eight like I get Tom's frustration nowadays when I see this existing market, and though there were some amazing hemp farmers too. Cause my only issue with really the hemp cannabis debate is we don't, we are allowing imports, right? Like we're, there's nothing that says only consumable products. American made I got these gummies somewhere around here that the guy was trying to sell me. So look, USDA organic. So we were definitely in, in line with fucking federal rules, but they don't have regulation. I even like, how do I trust and know that your USDA organic label is what you say it is like, nothing's being forced with anybody involved in this industry until people get sick and even then. That takes a while for another thing with the FDA. I saw in their videos where our portion of this video rather is the reports, right? Cause this is, if you can see my doctors, this whole video, and there's a database where doctors in emergency rooms need to type in when they see something hopefully take a picture of the package. These are the studies and things we need to learn. But again the more bad player in this product is going to be the hemp community who are making these vapes, the gas station weed. They're not that's unregulated. That's all unregulated. Yeah. But a

Speaker: 48:09

lot of it's a lot of it's American made. You don't have to wait. This isn't China dumping product story. This is America dumping a product story. And so there's no regulations. And so America, that cheeseburger that you go through and get the drive through from McDonald's, they will kill you and they will do so knowingly. So we'll DuPont

Speaker 4: 48:29

as you're using your Telf, Teflon pan. So we'll fill up Morris. So Boeing, these businesses have profit motives and you are part of that.

Speaker: 48:39

And if they need to get rid of you, they will. This was fascinating. This this FDA and please do check it out. It's 50 minutes long. So they talk about how manufacturing controls are limited. And they don't know if there's unsanitary conditions, impurities, solvents, pesticides, heavy metals. And so that's one of the things that Chris has done over at the United States hemp association, I think is what he's in charge of. They have a new self regulating kind of policy as the Oregon organic. Symbol has to only have natural Delta nine be used in their beverages, but how much natural Delta nine is actually out there or how much of that Delta nine had to start from an hemp derivative being CBD oil, and then do chemistry to make semi synthetic Delta nine. I don't know. Same with Delta eight. They have a lot of problems in it. They found intoxicating effects similar to Delta nine, but often market is a legal alternative and the presence of those products is up to 26 percent of the market. So all the intoxicating derivatives, 26 percent of the market is now Delta eight. And they know what 30 percent is. Delta nine. So out of all the, that doesn't make any sense. How can 30 percent of it be Delta nine when 0. 3 percent was supposed to be the number? Not 30 percent 0.

Speaker 4: 50:05

3%.

Speaker 2: 50:05

Yeah. And again, the whole point of legalization from besides your goddamn consumer rights and personal rights, right. Cause you can't. You can't be like, Oh yeah, I got the COA on here, officer. Just trust it. Whatever. Have fun. Is that I personally don't want to waste my time, but they explicitly get into how the more harmful products are coming from the hemp market versus regulated fucking cannabis markets, because there are hurdles like like not everything's perfect, right? There's still recalls. That's the whole thing, right? The, these guys aren't checking in with FDA ain't checking in with them because they're not governed by them. There's not. No, we did meet some really nice. Like I met one dude and I hope to have him on the show, a hemp grower. He had 140 acres. I think in Colorado in a greenhouse. It was beautiful. It was weed. It's cannabis, right? You're like, yes good on you for making it to that point. I was like, how do people buy your shit? Or who's your buyer? He's selling the pounds. That's his like limit He's like I gotta sell hundreds of pounds. I don't sell but I was like, why not? Why can't you open a online if you have a farm, cause isn't that the whole thing, right? If I had a farm and then harvest it, whether it be called cannabis or hemp, I'm like, I'm gonna let people smoke it or make whatever you want to do with it. Right. I just started this thing what's the stop me from just curing it, drying it and sending it. But I have to get a CUA, right? These are the things that you're hoping will protect you to it takes a while to get into a big profit margin type thing. It's not like

Speaker: 51:48

volume. I sometimes it's one of those things where what are you trying to say?

Speaker 2: 51:55

But that's what I'm saying. That's what's so convoluted about this hemp marijuana thing, right? Like in cannabis where the hemp guy gets away with shit, he's getting away with everything. Yeah, everybody's Oh, we're regulated. No,

Speaker: 52:05

that's one of the reasons why I said this industry is weird. A lot of money got thrown into this industry six years ago in 20, 2016 and 2018 a lot of money, 2021 money, more money came in and then nothing happened. And then all the money now has gotten sucked out, gone to AI and hemp. And you think that it's just going to be the same? Like you're that's it? That abortion, bad on pregnancy. Good. It was that F and easy, even if it was that easy, wouldn't they have done this rebranding 50 years ago? And so it's one of those where you're going to see this. So I'm not going to serve the pot too much. And again, like THCA flour, according to it, or just THCA, like with chemistry as well, and then spray packed onto just CBD or something or anything, any other spray pack, just to make whatever your flour is higher in THC, because it's hilarious that they will. Advertise it both ways. They'll advertise it as THC, a flower and show you how much it's percentage of THC is, which is really interesting, but that's 21 percent of the market now. And then all this red lack of regulation you're going to see more regulation. The FDA saying that we don't have the ability to regulate. These are the issues. And so Congress now is probably going to change the definition of hemp. Make hemp fabric again. Like again if you want to come on the show and you have a hemp brand and you have a line of hemp seeds, we will put the product, I would be like, boy, this is almost as good as these hemp seeds, but throughout the podcast, they're from Lithuania right now. I go to Costco to buy them. They're from Lithuania. That was the point. That's what Ron Wyden was fighting for.

Speaker 2: 53:47

But what's so frustrating about this BS semantical argument that we have over legalization besides the, cause everybody's farm bill made legal or whatever. You don't have rights, you don't have rights. And it's still big players that are involved in this game. Cause are you going to grow? Fucking five plants in your backyard. And then what? Sell it on the corner as hemp. What's the game here? What's the plan? Cause it still doesn't work that way. Cause that's, I think how every homegrower has this vision of like legalization, right? Even if like legalization happens, like sweet. Now I can be fucking the wee guy. Right? Like even the wee guy, when I was a wee guy back in the day, there's a certain, you have to know people trust a certain small circle, everybody fucking it's a, it's different. The legality world versus I'm a store. What were you selling?

Speaker: 54:39

Weed. Yeah. You weren't selling HHC. You weren't selling THCP. You weren't selling vapes. You weren't selling chemistry. You were selling, but they say between 2021 and 2023 300 adverse effects related to Delta eight, two thirds involving food products like candies and brownies. And here's some quotes from it. We had Cassie Taylor. Ph. D. I'm assuming it was M. D. You would say M. D. But patients are being exposed to compounds we know next to nothing about with largely unknown safety profiles. That is not grass that so the cannabinoids Regulation and Safety Act. They were going to charge the FDA with the ability to de list or not allow Even semisynthetics like all of these cannabinoids that are being created that exist in the plant like delta nine and delta eight I really should only say delta nine because and you know that I should really only say delta nine if you know the plant, you know that the delta eight occurs naturally one one thousandth as much as delta nine. So there's not any conceivably large enough as amount of all these cannabis to be Delta, whatever. And then there's Steve Galati. He is a doctor, Delta nine THC and Delta ATHC have a range of effects, including euphoria, sedation, and memory impairment, but can also cause psychosis and cardiovascular issues at high doses. The metal memory impairment repetition, that was a joke. And then the psychotic cardiovascular issues. Okay. That is something for additional science because Marijuana is now or cannabis that gets you high is being consumed in record amounts. I do not believe that has led to more diagnoses of psychosis. That is a dataset problem that you can answer fairly straightforwardly. You may need to use some Python scripts and access API APIs from federal databases, but you can effing do it.

Speaker 2: 56:47

But I think that's another, you just brought with the databases. Again, everybody's all like government's out to get you and you can't trust them and all the other, this is a these people are scientifically, I love how they break down like certain potential, like dangers too, with the hemp industry going on, how it's unregulated, right? They're talking about how inaccurate or misleading labels consumer confusion that products are regulated or approved because again, you can test hot, you can lose your job. You can just make your life harder. There's a falsification to a product certificate analysis, right? The COAs there's bad actors in the labs who don't have to be like again, someone who's worked in metrology. That was my, I remember that conversation. I was on a panel with Mita, shout out. It was about the ASQs and the GMPs, right? I'm like, what does it look like in cannabis? Right. And then I said, take everything we just talked about for the past 10 minutes and just call it hemp. You don't just fuck it off. As long as you got, like one COA that's you play your game when it comes to that. Cause that, that one farmer I was telling you about that has 140 acres. And he's yeah you gotta test it before such and such timeframe, like the stuff we talked about is that really weed then? Is that really something that what the

Speaker: 58:09

Yeah. Well, there's a couple there's some quotes on this information. Low labels claiming natural or safe can be misleading, especially as synthetic cannabinoids are becoming more prevalent in these products. And then there was a Scott Yasniak from farm D he said nearly half of the adverse effects event reports involving Delta eight THC resulted in hospitalization or emergency departure visions. So it's, this infiltration of all these things is not going unnoticed. And because of that, you are going to see there's a flood. Yeah. And then there's some pushback like the tide just doesn't come in and lift all ships. It will also roll back out. And so it looks like we've gotten that cresting of the tide and now it's going to start rolling back out in 2025, which the people in the natural licensed industry are like, yay. Can we get some tax reform? No. We're going to move to schedule three to get some tax reform. Okay. Hopefully that'll be here by 2025, 2026. It depends on if that Yahoo wants to actually. Appeal it and then go to the district or the circuit courts or the district and then the circuit court of appeals for the federal because we're just in the ALJ court, the administrative law judge court bankruptcy it's one of those deals where you have somebody who's respected receptive and we'll work through this and issue his opinion and he's defucking evidence. It comes from HHS. Why do you think they didn't testify? You dumb fucks. And so it's one of those things. I get so upset, and but then I am not a lawyer that's trying to make a dollar on this. I'm not sitting there going Well, we can file this and then we could file that. And then we can do this and I know that's going to be worth a quarter million dollars for me. Yeah. And it's going to be worth years for all of you.

Speaker 2: 1:00:07

That's the problem with the legislation process that has been going on because the ball is rolling with the studies, right? Last week I talked about maps. And then being approved for PTSD, right? As somebody who's been advocating this before the science like you worried, right? Like I'm encouraging this plan to be legal. Is it going to be like, why was it illegal? And it really has no other reason, but control. If if there's a fair way to legalize this plant let's make it happen. That's first we got to qualify it as medicine because in every state, the medicine has lost after it opened the doors, right? Like federally. Can you imagine everybody who talks about Oh, big government's gonna take over. Well, fuck, we need to legally get this guy. woman, lady the female identified as medicine. How long did it take for a vitamin C to be discovered as a medicine for scurvy? Right. Now it's just fucking should eat orange. One day it'll be like, Oh, you should want to try it.

Speaker: 1:01:15

Everybody, but that's our podcast after getting back from cannabis is the big trade show. The MJ biz con. Hey 2025 is coming up and you'll see us hopefully opening a dispensary and maybe you'll see your products on this podcast because you can get sponsored on cannabis legalization news. We prefer if it's an ancillary as opposed to a plant touching brand for right now. Well, we'll mix in the plant touching brands a little bit, but they'll probably have to be priced higher because you risk being deleted. And so a lot of people like to tune into the product or the program and if this was about pro mix or lights or maybe beverages, maybe beverage canning companies or other ancillaries, we might be able to put you on the show. And then we're going to have more guests coming. We have a wonderful sit down, deep dive as to what's the most lucrative license in 2025 might be for you. That's coming next week. And then we reached out and we talked and we were able to meet so many people at MJ biz that will have more deep dives coming for your edification and enjoyment. Oh yeah. Reach out manscape. Well, actually I think we have to call them. We'll start calling them.

Speaker 2: 1:02:45

Yeah. That's the next week guys. Take care.