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Cannabis Legalization News Podcast
From Courtrooms to Cannabis: Dimitri's Journey, Legalization Challenges, and Industry Insights
Can a former prosecutor transform the cannabis industry? Listen as Tom sits down with Dimitri, the visionary behind MIDA, live from CannaCon in Minnesota. Dimitri unfolds his compelling journey from the courtroom to the cannabis business world, sharing how MIDA is revolutionizing professional growth in this dynamic sector. Adding to the excitement, we recount Governor Jesse Ventura's stirring keynote speech and his engaging interview with Tom, revealing the shifting tides of public support for marijuana legalization and the complexities of rescheduling and industry banking in pivotal states.
Senator Chuck Grassley wants more scientific evidence before rescheduling marijuana—does he have a point, or is it political posturing? We scrutinize his demand against the backdrop of extensive existing research supporting medical cannabis. Our conversation also dives into the current state of hemp farming in Kentucky and the regulatory hurdles faced by the industry. Despite a brief technical hiccup, the debate remains lively, offering critical insights into the political and scientific battlegrounds of cannabis regulation.
From counterfeit cannabis products to the sobering realities of the cannabis business—our discussion spans a fascinating spectrum. We explore the potential impact of federal cannabis legalization under a Trump endorsement, contrasting it with other state and federal approaches. Discover the latest on Missouri’s massive cannabis recall, Florida’s restrictive legalization model, and the absurdity of black-market branding. The episode concludes with a reflection on the resilience needed to succeed in today's cannabis market and the potential profitability boost from rescheduling. Tune in and stay informed on all things cannabis!
Hi, thanks for joining us on this Sunday once again for Canvas Legalization News. Tom is presently in CannaCon, minnesota. He's on the floor with Dimitri, who's part of MIDA. This is going to be an interesting hour. We've got plenty to talk about. Let's just hope how many glitches we got by. It will be a smoke break each time we use technical difficulties. Oh, I've said that 10 times. Let's get into it. Hey guys, what up? How you doing Not much, all right. Uh, dimitri, can you introduce yourself to everybody?
Speaker 2:miggy, you look good. You look good. I love the green. You're looking pretty spiffed there, like you just came back from a workout, appreciate it uh, yeah dressed down casually.
Speaker 2:Yesterday I was in my three-piece suit. I use it to intimidate people, old prosecutor trick. Today I'm in my more relaxed mode. I'm a db shouting uh. Founder of media, been in the industry for about 12 years. Uh, it's changed me a lot as a person. Thank, thank God for the cannabis industry every day of my life, the cannabis consumer, the cannabis plant, those who are involved in cannabis policy and those who have represented freedom, which is the underlying theme of the cannabis industry, very well over the last 50 years, until I personally came in and joined the fight and glad to be here. Thank you, guys. Are you a lawyer, dimitri? And glad to be here. Thank you, guys, are you?
Speaker 2:a lawyer Dimitri. I am a U of A law grad 1998, prosecuted 1998 to 2010, mostly domestic violence prosecutor. Did my fair share of marijuana prosecution but nevertheless we just do what we're told. Done with that. I've been done with that 2012.
Speaker 1:Right on, right on. Hey Tom, how's the event? How's CanonCon treating you?
Speaker 3:It's not all that busy, to be honest. We had a great interview with Governor Ventura earlier today, and so Jesse Ventura was here, gave a keynote speech and we interviewed him. For gosh, how long was that Like an hour.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the man's a stud. He is the original American badass, if I can say that there probably was somebody before Kid Rock. But he is a badass.
Speaker 1:Is that going to be on our channel?
Speaker 3:Kid Rock's nowhere near the badass that Governor Ventura was. He was a Navy SEAL.
Speaker 1:Wow.
Speaker 2:Before the Navy SEAL had restrictions and training manuals and things they weren't allowed to do for woke, politically correct kind of sensitivity things.
Speaker 1:Dimitri, you see, there's always shit happening, dude. Like when I was in the service, people were always trying to be kinder gentler, but people are still going to be fucked with. Like it's still going to be a hardcore workout, whatever regime thing to go through. You guys, mita, what is?
Speaker 2:MITA dudes. Mita is a marijuana and street association founded in 2016,. Expanded nationally in 2021. We focus now on professional development, business development, deal flow. We want to make sure companies have an opportunity to further their ability to make money through us. We do a lot of education social equity education whatever comes across our thing education-wise and we do events. We do golf tournaments, we participate in just about every conference in the country and we're focusing on manufacturing, distribution and brand migration, because that's where most of the activity and the entrepreneurial stuff is right now. We're focusing on that this year and we're doing a big project at BizCon.
Speaker 3:But yeah, we do a lot of stuff.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, I don't want to try to dominate the conversation, because there's two of you on one side and one over here. You guys talked to Ventura, though Is that going to be on our channel, dudes? What's? Where's that gonna be at?
Speaker 3:we're gonna have to edit it and so, like they, they recorded it to the hard drive and then they balance the sound.
Speaker 1:So that's gonna take some time oh, very cool, you guys want to get in the news.
Speaker 3:Yeah, let's do some news. What's our lead story of the week? So?
Speaker 1:uh polls support for marijuana legalization, rescheduling industry banking access in three battleground states. Uh, coming from marijuana moment, as you know, this not only legalization right, guys, but women's rights. I mean this is going to bring a lot of people out to vote.
Speaker 3:Perhaps I mean this is Michigan, pennsylvania and Wisconsin. They say Yep. Those are going to be some important states.
Speaker 1:Well in Florida coming out too right for legalization.
Speaker 3:Yeah, there's an interesting story from Florida we'll cover in a minute. The Scott's Miracle Company sponsored this ballot or this poll. Pretty interesting. You know what they do Well it's the whole horn.
Speaker 1:Well, they're the. They've been part of the cannabis grow industry for years, since, uh, medical time, at least here in washington state. Uh, I think that's a good business, right. Like someone saw. Uh, like we have a product. Uh, you know it's a taboo type product and you know they invested in it, so I think it's pretty dope. But like it's kind of no shit though. Right, most Americans are pro-legalization, you'd hope so.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I know the people where Scott Smirnoff could grow and Hawthorne pretty well. Tom, over there he's one of the lobbyists, good guy. Now I don't know what they're involved with and with that, uh, the florida legalization ballot, but I I do have my concerns. Uh, I, I'm a market structure guy. I don't like to see licensing caps and limited licensing and restrictions on people's uh ability to participate in the cannabis industry, especially like the OGs, that kind of get left out in this very complicated new world that's being created. And so Florida's model for legalization is perhaps one of the most restrictive that has ever been designed and ever been pushed. And there's pluses about letting people consume freely. That's a very big plus down there. But if you're interested in the market structure as an entrepreneur, it's not exactly.
Speaker 3:Oh, it gets worse because they're sitting on 75 applications right now. They haven't given out and so they could dilute. They have the MMTC, and then those MMTCs would then carry forward into the full adult use area, and it's not good for the consumer. You walk into a Trulieve store and that's all you get.
Speaker 1:Trulieve.
Speaker 3:Can you imagine if you would have to go to a Coca-Cola store and the only thing you could buy was Coca-Cola?
Speaker 2:Yep and it's government-mandated true verticalization. Right now, an Apple store could carry Android if it wanted to, but it chooses not to Imagine if it was legally bound and not allowed to carry something.
Speaker 2:And unfortunately we all know, the Drug War 2.0, Prohibition 2.0, is the theme of the day and it's carrying the new reality. It has its good, it has its bad and I think sometimes it goes too far. Has its good and has its bad and I think sometimes it goes too far and this Florida legalization initiative, in my little humble opinion, might be too far.
Speaker 1:We interrupted an in-depth conversation on a 420 break.
Speaker 3:Yeah, 4.20.
Speaker 2:20 past the hour here.
Speaker 3:it's essential time.
Speaker 2:I appreciate even sitting next to Tom, because his level of preparedness and his in-depth understanding of things and his capabilities are absolutely extraordinary. So if you're out there and see the audience tell a friend about this show, because the quality of your, your host, him, me I'm just visiting is tremendous and I have a a chance to look behind the scenes and I'm looking at the notes that you prepared well, I didn't prepare them.
Speaker 3:The team prepares those.
Speaker 2:Oh okay, I thought that was you, no no well, your team is great, then sorry, that's incredible look at those notes.
Speaker 1:We, we try and structure the conversation, uh, but you know it's funny, I think, dimitri, when he talks about florida being the most, uh, strict state I think you come from arizona, right. I mean, the little five million dollar barrier, uh, that's kind of a little. It's a little more than five million.
Speaker 3:Well, you think five million dollar barrier, uh, that's kind of a little, it's a little more than five million.
Speaker 2:Well, you think five million steep. In arizona it's five to ten million for license, those licenses in florida before those 75 get sorted down to the 22 that are going to get issued and it's going to get diluted. Right now those licenses are probably transferring hands somewhere between 15 and 35 million, depending on who you talk to, depending what stage you're at. But that's the reality of a Florida license. So if it goes recreational, those licenses are going to be 30 to 65 million on projected speculative type earnings. So where does that leave the OGs, the craft growers, the entrepreneurs, the college graduates, your neighbor's, son's, nephew's daughter who one day wants to get into cannabis, learn as a bud tender, as a manager, as a cultivator, and then one day own her own shop? It just creates a situation where they're stuck being a second class citizen forever. So I don't understand why the union support it, because unions should care about the mobility of the worker.
Speaker 2:I don't. I was. If I was not an entrepreneur, I wouldn't support it. Now, if I'm just a consumer, what do I care? I was, if I was an entrepreneur, I wouldn't support it. Um, now if I'm just a consumer, what do I care? I just want to have it legal, uh. But as Tom was saying, the reality of having, you know, 22 plus 27, however many, is 50 shops and there will only be 50 shops. Do not kid yourself that there will ever be anything else issued, because the lobbying power at the capitol will is huge and they will stop everything for new licenses. That's a reality situation we see in different states. So the consumers will be dealt with a weird situation where they're forced to get these vertically integrated cannabis products. So it won't be as good, but it's a step in the right direction. So is that good enough? It really is up to you.
Speaker 3:Well, before we cut into the Iowa senator who's just being an idiot there are some Florida senators that are also being idiots at the state level, so then they pass it. The people pass it. They want to then ban it legislatively, right.
Speaker 2:Hilarious and can you do we don't need to deep dive into the Florida situation but does the legislature, the assembly, have a right to come in and do something, change something to negatively impact that recreational push? If it passes at 60%, there might be some nuance there. They couldn't. That's where we have the voter protection act in Arizona and some other states. That doesn't allow the legislators or the assembly body to alter initiatives or referendums passed by the people in any form or any manner whatsoever, except for maybe two-thirds or 75%. That's why we get something like the Voter Protection Act.
Speaker 3:It'll be interesting. It's a good conversation. Constitutional amendment, and then are they going to override it legislatively. Who knows?
Speaker 2:I guess you've got to listen for hours.
Speaker 1:No, but you guys are talking on a state level though, because you know what would change all that, you know what would kind of help the ball a little more forward on this whole legalization process.
Speaker 3:Schedule 3.
Speaker 1:What? Yes, so we have a new article from Marijuana Moment. Gop Senator demands answers a rush to reschedule marijuana from top Biden administration officials. This genius, this fucking rocket scientist.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I'm not sure if I would call him a genius, but I would say that he is definitely a senator out of Iowa named Chuck Grassley. Did not know, his middle name was Ernest. That's cool. We have a quote from the letter that he has. Health policy should be based on sound scientific data, which is why I write, raising concerns. The Justice Department bypassed traditional safeguards in its haste to reschedule marijuana Remember, it's been over 50 years in Schedule 1. Adding that he'd like clarification on why the proposal to move cannabis from Schedule 1 to Schedule 3 without addressing the Drug Enforcement Administration's request for additional information. And he goes on to quote. In fact, the DEA requested additional scientific input to determine if marijuana has accepted medical use, but the Justice Department attorneys deemed their request impermissibly narrow. After rejecting the DEA's concern, you sign the notice of proposed rulemaking instead of the DEA administrator. This is a break from tradition.
Speaker 2:Which tradition are you?
Speaker 3:referring to Senator Grassley, Because I don't recall any rescheduling of any drug at a lower level.
Speaker 2:And if I was in front of a court of law I'd say and your Honor. By the way, when they scheduled it in the first place, there was no scientific evidence to put it on that schedule. But now you want scientific evidence to take it off.
Speaker 3:And they did. They had 252 pages of scientific evidence proving that it has a currently accepted medical use, doing a survey of all 38 states that have medical cannabis and what it's used for and how efficacious it is.
Speaker 1:Well, we have reports from the 1930s, you know, from the LaGuardia Report, the Schaefer Commission. You know these numerous Well, the LaGuardia.
Speaker 3:Report was the 40s and the Schaefer Commission was actually mandated by the Controlled Substances Act, and then that was published in 1972. So this is just politics. This is just Chuck Grassley not liking weed OK, but that's bad politics.
Speaker 1:Why? Why do they choose this whole like it's kind of like the, the Santas thing where they take the money for the hemp choose this whole like? Uh, it's kind of like the, the santas thing where they take the money for the hemp. But yet, uh, uh, you know, to fight the, the legalization processes, you know? Someone earlier in the chat was talking about um, how, right now kentucky, a lot of hemp farmers, that's helping, uh, but it's really not legalization, right, guys? Because just because they're not getting messed with, they're not getting raided on these farms, because they're what growing CBD, cbgs or perhaps t-shirts using the intent, there's a 95% chance.
Speaker 3:Actually, I think it's closer to 97% because the USDA keeps track of why you're growing the hemp and so they usually have checks like 95 or 97% of the times they're checked the cannabinoid box they aren't growing it for food or fiber or any percent of the times they're checked the cannabinoid box they aren't growing it for food or fiber or any type of industrial purposes 97 percent of the time well, and then now with the thc loophole and all the other bullshit, uh, uh, gas station vapes and all the other stuff they're selling, you guys good, that sounds well.
Speaker 3:Somebody just hit something. Do we sound all right to you, mickey?
Speaker 1:yeah, nice, nice, I'm fine.
Speaker 2:Nothing moved, nothing happened it sounds better when you hit that button. Hit that button again. No, don't do it again.
Speaker 3:It's because I'm muting Dimitri and I don't want him to like.
Speaker 1:Oh, no, no.
Speaker 2:It's a hiss thing.
Speaker 1:I bet she wishes she had that rule. Oh, it's a microphone. No, I just yeah, right, no, I just noticed. Let's get to the next story. Go ahead, all right. So we got Trump endorsing Florida Marijuana Legalization Initiative would guarantee victory, top ally, roger Ailes says, but he has not yet endorsed it.
Speaker 3:No, and so his buddy, Roger. Wait, who did you say?
Speaker 2:Roger Ailes is dead.
Speaker 3:Oh, roger Stone, top ally, yeah, roger Stone.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Top ally Roger.
Speaker 3:Stone.
Speaker 1:Roger Stone says that if President Donald Trump endorses marijuana legalization on the ballot, it would guarantee victory. No, they just voted. And this guy still hasn't made a statement, right? Because wasn't it? Last week? At his press conference, he said I'm going to make a statement on this very important topic, even though he says it should be a state right? Bullshit, or he doesn't believe it's going to be fairly soon. Hang on.
Speaker 3:Dimitri is a pro at translating the intent of what Donald Trump actually says. As you're not allowed to listen to what the words that Donald Trump says, you have to go through that. So when Donald Trump says that fairly soon he is going to say his piece. Well, this is the media report.
Speaker 2:First of all, I'd have to listen to his actual statements, because there's always words within words, within words. He's a very complicated man, but it's a good sign. But I got to say Roger Stone's a little bit of an odd dude. I've met him in a Los Angeles cannabis conference. I've met him in a Los Angeles cannabis conference and I don't know if I necessarily listened to Roger Stone on things, just because he seemed a little bit odd but you know.
Speaker 2:Trump says he's heading in that direction, then he's heading in that direction. That's a good sign.
Speaker 1:And, as we know, has Roger Stone done like genocide in countries Like isn't he one of those people that like, yeah, there's some weird stuff.
Speaker 2:But you know, know, I don't trust really anything I see in the media. But I'll tell you what. You know I like we're here in minnesota, you got waltz and um, you have harris, and if and if they get elected, the federal government is going to be very proactively involved in cannabis legalization. We're going to have regulations, we're going to have fda. We're going to have FDA, we're going to have rules. We're going to have a government that has the time and energy and commitment to creating a masterful planned drug war 2.0, prohibition 2.0. The unions are going to be involved. Social equity is going to be involved. It's going to be a wonderful mess. We do know that If Trump gets elected, we have no idea what's going to happen.
Speaker 3:I can venture against the. Project 2025 will ban all of it.
Speaker 2:I think he's all about states' rights. So if we just continue with the states' rights things, we're going to continue to have these incubators of marketplaces. Minnesota is going to thrive, california is going to thrive, it's all going to be good within those states and states' rights is going to keep on within those states and states rights is going to keep on. I am terrified of what a well-planned plan looks like at the federal level for the entire cannabis industry. We won't have that for years, right?
Speaker 3:but they'll do that everything has it through schedule three. I I think if they get through schedule three, whoever wins before january 20th, we're fine because, like, if it's trump, I don't think he's gonna, because if it's Trump I don't think he's going to undo it because it's too popular, he's going to want the states to do their own thing.
Speaker 3:And then, if it's Harris and Walls, they're going to wait because it's moving at regulatory speed. So the hemp laws moved at regulatory speed too. It took years for them to make that rule, put it into effect and say that it's now what you have to play by the rules. So that's going to play out with Schedule 3. And then Congress. We were talking to Jesse Ventura today. The only reason that it got legalized here in Minnesota was because the Democrats took both House and the Senate. Democrats took both House and the Senate. So unless you have the Democrats taking the House and the Senate, and with the Senate you have to have 60 votes to even bring up a bill.
Speaker 2:So you would have to have some defections from the Republicans to say, yeah, we need to legalize this Years, right, but I kind of like the states' rights model, why it is working within those states and that's OK. Federal legalization is going to upend everything, so I go ahead.
Speaker 1:I just thought you wanted fairness right, like like this, the whole thing about like a federal thing, caveat, because, like alcohol took 15 years to become regulated properly. It's not a one party thing. It's the descheduling process and the banking rules and then the testing requirements, and then it's also like you know, here's what I want the federal government to do is get out of the way and just let the states do what they want to do.
Speaker 2:Well, and the problem is and I love Democrats in general they have a lot of well-intended good ideas, but they think they can plan out everything. They think they can know everything, they think they can structure everything. They think that they just have all the variables together, they can figure it all out. And that to me is unknown and it could be a disaster and very restrictive for a lot of people who want to be involved in the cannabis industry. Will it be better for the cannabis consumer Absolutely better if we do something at the federal level? But the cannabis industry is going to end up with this really strange set of federal regulations from people who believe that they can just manipulate everything, control everything with enough information. I like the state's rights approach. There's negatives on it because we don't have federal legalization, but you know, it's kind of you're damned if you do, you're damned if you don't. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Well, but you just explained. So, like our next two stories in missouri, like the whole state rights being, like the whole hot mess you're talking about is something we already have, like it's already here and the people who are benefiting out of it uh, there's some people who who can afford to, to be a part of it. But when we get this federal regulation part, like states rights thing is a cop-out. States rights it's not everybody's rights and as an American, I think like we all should be fair, right, that's, that's the social equity. It's going to be a fair fucking. All treated, equal. No matter how you look, come from a financial, it's all about your, your, your, your quality of your product, maybe.
Speaker 2:Whatever your thing is, you gotta be good at it well, all this, all the social equity programs and determining who the winners are and who the losers are and who deserve social equity, are creating a situation where a lot of people are treated unfairly, not just the white rich man, but all the social equity applicants who are denied the opportunity to participate. If you self-identify as social equity eligible, you should be allowed to participate but they're all bullshit.
Speaker 1:Like that's the thing. Right, a federal program would just give enable uh proper, uh structure, but this ain't gonna happen overnight this is not gonna be a uh kamala did a thing, or, or you know, it could be delayed, it could be stopped, right? Well, what you're gonna have?
Speaker 2:is is cory booker. I mean, I know cory booker's people. The first thing the day of of kamal har is they're going to say well, let's get heavily involved in the cannabis legalization policy and legislation and we think that it should go to certain individuals that we believe are social equity eligible. It might be black, it might be attached to marijuana stuff. New Jersey social equity is bullshit.
Speaker 1:Well, Cory.
Speaker 2:Williams and Cory Booker. Sorry, wasn't Cory Williams, basketball player Coryer. Sorry wasn't, uh, cory williams basketball player. Uh, cory booker, what wasn't involved in new jersey's? But he will be involved at the federal level. There also be people that say, okay, well, if we're going to legalize better chemists at the federal level, all shops have to be unionized, and I don't know you may or may not believe if they say if you are a schedule shop, this is the security system.
Speaker 3:you need these pesticides you're allowed to use.
Speaker 2:Tell that to union activists, tell that to some of the UFCW or the Teamsters who are up there in Congress who see a new industry coming and who are going to say I will be damned if I'm going to let my Democratic representative or senator vote for that when I control their vote if it does not include a little something for the unions. That's what will happen and I don't know whether that's a good thing or a bad thing, but I do know it will happen and we don't know the result. What is?
Speaker 3:another union industry at the federal level.
Speaker 2:This is a new thing.
Speaker 3:This is the first time the federal government has actually the railroads, well, without referring to it.
Speaker 2:This is the first time the federal government is railroads okay, well, without referring to this is the first time the federal government is going to be able to snap his fingers and create a, a industry. And, just like we saw in minnesota or any other state, when the government has the opportunity, the ability, the power and the unique moment to create industry, a lot of weird shit happens. Well, what we can do is.
Speaker 3:We can look at the hot three taxed on net revenue just from a tax perspective and a profitability perspective. Let's just get that. And then we and I picked on the railroads. Railroads used to not even have standardized tracks, so like if you wanted to move your shipment interstate and you got to Iowa it's like, oh, I'm sorry, I have to move into a different car that has a different wheelbase so that you can fit on the tracks there. Standardizing allows for interstate commerce. So if you want to lay the foundation for interstate commerce or compliance federally for it not being illegal anymore, we need to have a set of rules. This is when the porn music we don. We need to have a set of rules. This is when the porn music.
Speaker 3:We don't need to have unions as part of that set of rules.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but maybe interstate commerce is not having interstate commerce is a good thing. It certainly is for the local craft growers and brand developers state by state.
Speaker 3:What about the three tier alcohol regulatory system? If we were going to make beer here in beautiful St Paul and send it down to META's office over in Phoenix or my office over in Peoria, illinois, we would need to have shipping contracts and distribution licenses. Move that product into those states and you know already given us a way to regulate it. Yeah.
Speaker 2:We definitely think, I definitely think it's going to go down the path of alcohol.
Speaker 1:But once rescheduling also happens, there's going to be that baby made from hemp and cannabis. Right, like these rules, like here in Minnesota. We got these two minutes stories, minnesota stories. The first one is a hemp industry leaders call Missouri governor's order banning TAC products and overreach, right. So every state with some form of legalization, whether it's medical or recreational, they are squashing the hemp programs. Right, they're trying to like the federal. Shit's going to come down, it's for safety. It's yeah.
Speaker 1:I mean they're not doing proper. There's no requirements for, like, uh, lab testing, right for half these these, these products are buying. I don't know how they're getting into gas stations or whatnot, but they just call them him and nobody's enforcing the law. Exactly that's it, that's. There's gonna be a time when well, this is how you enforce it. These guys are individually going to come at whatever's draining the funds from the state. Because right now, right, cannabis is the only state fucking product. Only Right, supposedly, you can go to a store that came from your state. Every state I go to, I know it was growing in Washington. Or every store I go to here, I know it's Washington State weed Right, so that's the only product that is like American Right, like fucking. Fundamentally, the second Missouri story is there's an unprecedented, second massive Missouri cannabis recall that leaves the company's family.
Speaker 3:How much of that hot hemp at the gas station before they shut it down through the executive order in Missouri was recalled Zero, they had no recall. Missouri was recalled Zero, they had no recall. When you open a hemp store you don't have to have a quarantine and recall SOP, but if you open it do you need a quarantine and recall SOP in Arizona.
Speaker 2:Hemp? No. What about for real stuff, real stuff.
Speaker 3:I think that's funny.
Speaker 2:Yes, you do, you do, you do, but here's my problem with that. And here think that's funny. Yes, you do, you do, you do, but here's my problem with that. And here's what's happening. And it's happening state by state and at the federal level. You have those people who've established themselves and their position in the THC licensed structure, cannabis industry, lobbying and pushing on individuals at the assemblies and legislators and the federal level to create and punish, create further, create Prohibition 2.0, drug War 2.0, and punish the hemp people for doing what they do and educate the fuddy-duddies and the prohibitionists on how to attack hemp for being and what's happening in the hemp industry for being dangerous and how dangerous is the hemp industry and how dangerous is what they're doing. I agree there's problems, so they should be tested and they should be incorporated in, but they're you know, and I know these people.
Speaker 2:I was one of the original lobbyists in 2012, 2013. I was one of the people that was talking with the DHS director of Arizona and saying, okay, how do we get people to participate in the state-regulated medical system? You need to have certain civil or criminal punishments and sanctions for people to participate in the state-regulated system. That's Prohibition 2.0, drug Boy 2.0. And then you need to redirect the tax dollars to law enforcement officials or regulators or specifically designed liquor cops, marijuana cops, to go after people who are not participating in the system legally.
Speaker 2:I was there. I know these guys, I know lawyers, I know their owners. I've been in the industry since 2012. And I no longer believe in that because I found that the most honest, genuine people in this industry are the people at Normal, shout out to Normal and what they do is generally always the right thing. God bless them. But it took an education process. It took me, going through greed and money and self-interest and the interest of the businesses that I was working with and representing that, to a broader understanding of public policy that it's a balance between the interests of of everyone. So just know that that's happening and this attack on hemp is not coming from the fuddy duddies, not coming from those people who are concerned about public safety, but it's coming from the thc industry and the license holders that we all know and work with and get our stuff from.
Speaker 1:So I mean it is what it is, but per state because, like kentucky's thriving off of this shit right, tennessee probably thriving farmers are probably pulling in money. It's all per state and that's what that state bullshit, right uh our next story crime?
Speaker 3:well, it is, they're. They're pulling in money for something that is it's a at best a loophole and at worst just a crime not being enforced.
Speaker 1:Well, you know. And then the whole point of legalization for me, as an advocate has been doing this for a long time Hasn't been just to not get fucked with Right Like as we get into this more business side of things and it is convoluted and people should know better when they pivot and do things, because right now it's still that gray market. But our next story, marijuana Moment. It shows that most people who use marijuana attain it from licensed retailers. A new survey finds so, even though it's hell of expensive. Ohio, I am looking at you, you know people are buying it.
Speaker 3:That's somewhat misleading. It says among cannabis consumers in states with legalization laws, eight in 10 say they purchase all or most of their cannabis from licensed retailers.
Speaker 1:True, true. So you have to have a legalization, at least in your state, right Like that's like the traditional market goes away. It's not because, because it's hard looking for a guy, or being the guy or trying to like find a new guy, whereas you can go to a store like a fucking Albertson, safeway, fred Meyer, whatever you have in your region, piggly, wiggly, and you just go in and grab a bag and leave, do you guys?
Speaker 3:have Piggly Wigglies in Arizona.
Speaker 2:Piggly Wigglies? No, we don't, we might have one. Piggly.
Speaker 3:Wigglies I haven't seen one of those in forever. You're a very intelligent audience.
Speaker 2:Pig language haven't seen one of those in forever audience I don't know about. Yes, yes, our audience is extremely attractive and intelligent I can't see them.
Speaker 3:Don't forget to click that like button and also subscribe for more flattery but this is how you members you learn on this stuff. It's awesome more than 200 people tuning in what? What's the next story?
Speaker 2:Megan, I'll tell you something very interesting. So many people in Mexico now are getting their product from state licensed dispensaries on the border of New Mexico, arizona, california and taking it down south, because the Mexicans want high-end, well-produced product.
Speaker 3:We should go open one in Nogales in Arizona, that one in Nogales.
Speaker 2:It's there, it's doing risk business and people are taking weed down to Hermosillo.
Speaker 1:It's a fascinating thing Nogales is wild.
Speaker 2:Along the line of where people get their weed from.
Speaker 3:Sorry, hey we should look at that thing that we're talking about.
Speaker 1:Oh, you want to play some Name? That Strain, hell yeah.
Speaker 2:T-H-C-C-C, t-h-c-c-c, t-h-c-c-c, t-h-c-c-c.
Speaker 3:You can hear us when we're doing that. And then when we're like this, it's interesting. Oh, that's even more messed up.
Speaker 1:They were playing. He's playing, we just can't hear you now.
Speaker 3:Go to the first angle.
Speaker 1:What do we got going on?
Speaker 3:First angle yeah, so they fix it.
Speaker 1:Okay, this is Close. Let's see it was a clone and only strain that originated in southern England.
Speaker 3:A southern England strain.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:That's English land race right there.
Speaker 1:Matter of fact, remember we had the guys in England and they didn't know what the word skunk like, how it came from. Yes, it was hilarious.
Speaker 3:We should get more of those English people back, and I'm really looking forward to next year when we can do translations on the fly. So we'll just translate all this into German.
Speaker 1:Ooh, we got a lot of yelling. Hein, don't yes, nein, is that really coming?
Speaker 3:Yeah, evidently it's been earmarked. The chat GPTs of the world can already just start putting it into a different language. That's impressive.
Speaker 2:You guys are so cutting edge, miggy, this is fun.
Speaker 3:I'm learning stuff we internet. Yeah, we told a lot of people the loophole about how you can advertise your licensed dispensary and if you want to know, hit me up over at CannabisIndustryLawyercom. That was a good one. Oh shit, Chris got it. You can't cheese.
Speaker 1:You want to tell us a little?
Speaker 3:bit about this exodus cheese.
Speaker 1:yes, sir, generally known as simply cheese or uk cheese, exodus cheese is the original clone only strain that was originated in southern england sometime during the late 1990s early 1990s. It's said to be grown from a packet of Sensi Seeds, cup number one, and known for its high yields. I know it's a pretty little nug. It's only 17% THC. Would you still like it?
Speaker 2:I'm trying to see what Miggy has behind him. Look at all that cool stuff.
Speaker 1:I don't know, I got my little legos because I'm not.
Speaker 3:we aren't going to be able to do nothing.
Speaker 2:So, uh, you know, help us out with the, the stories and all that I made it full screen so that dimitri's name oh, no, no, no, no, don't, don't mind me, don't mind me, my vision's bad mickey, sorry no you're good, we got some uh.
Speaker 1:Ohio news. Ohio news eh yes, well, this is the ohio. Cannabis customers spend 11.5 million in first five days, so again people will buy expensive a lot of tents because they don't have a lot of.
Speaker 2:Is that really the ohio flag? Yeah, it's one of them. I had no idea.
Speaker 1:I've never seen it before you know what hawaii fucked me up? It's like like a British royal flag.
Speaker 2:It's fun having that.
Speaker 1:We'll do our producing stuff.
Speaker 2:I'm a states rights guy. If I could turn Arizona into a republic, I would.
Speaker 1:I'm an American All rights.
Speaker 3:Freedom. Yep, that's right. I ride an eagle to work.
Speaker 2:And an eagle has talons. We learned that earlier.
Speaker 1:Not tentacles talons. So yeah, Ohio is racking it in. They're going to do fairly well this market. What do you guys think?
Speaker 3:I think whatever you legalize it, people get excited. And it's just getting started. They are bringing on new dispensaries online for the additional or the already existing medical licenses that didn't have a dispensary, so that should be like another 50. And then next summer, I believe, there's going to be a social equity round in um, ohio, but we still haven't gotten like the rules on that, so we don't know how social equity is going to shake out in. Oh, if it's anything like it is here in Minnesota, it's bullshit.
Speaker 1:So they have dual-use dispensaries. So they sold 1,285 pounds of adult-use flour in the first five days and 173,000 units of manufactured products edibles, vapes, tinks totaling for 138,466 receipts. People like weed. Ohioans, people love weed.
Speaker 2:That's incredible yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and then you know what else was popping this week? Got some Cali news.
Speaker 1:Cali yeah, millions Expecting millions of. Yeah, millions expecting millions of illicit cannabis packages disguised as children's candy seeds. In california, most of the packaging, yeah, brand of the sweet tarts. Um, this is silly though, because you know you've talked about the copyright infringements. Right like the, uh, these products are like just like that. It's's like Twinkies, but then they have that little default that shows a little cannabis symbol. You know, like a regulated market, why would you go through that whole trying to make a look with that little emblem?
Speaker 3:You're already doing illegal shit. Demetri can bring us up to speed on this, because I believe he was talking about it earlier why there is less of an illicit market in Arizona relative to California, based on the two types of regulatory schemes that those two states have had. So these types of knockoff illicit products are more likely to come out of a California than an Arizona. Why is that? You know?
Speaker 2:there's a lot of themes there and there's a lot of reasons certainly, and it's not an exact science, more of an art, sort of like public health, deciding what's important and what's not. I like to bring things back to COVID policy, but the primary thing that I have found, knowing California and Arizona really well and the differences, the legal punishments for participating or or being involved in producing, manufacturing, transporting, selling, retailing uh, in california are civil and small, and then in arizona they're criminal and large. So the drug war 2.0 looks differently in California than it does Arizona, and so more people are participating in the black market as well as, equally, in my particular opinion, the taxation in California has created an absolute, absolute mess because it's overtaxed and overregulated, and so those two factors combined, I would say, are the two biggest problems. So Arizona is doing a little bit better job.
Speaker 1:Demetri, what do you think about that? So here I'll share my screen. I don't know if you can be able to see it, but this copyright shit, right? This is notoriously known Doing shit like this, where it makes it look like Twinkies. They see they had a little CA California cannabis symbol there. If you're doing something illegal at that point, why are you even bothering with this little logo? You know what I mean.
Speaker 3:Why not just Maybe people will think If you're trying to counterfeit money, don't you want to make the money look real. If you're trying to counterfeit money, don't you want to make the money look real. So if you're trying to counterfeit weed, don't you want to make it look real?
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I think in the transportation and distribution and when you bump into your low-level cops who aren't necessarily tasked or don't give a shit about marijuana anymore, they see that quickly and they move on. This bust, I'd have to look who it came from. Were they marijuana cops? A shit about marijuana anymore? They see that quickly and they move on. You know this bust, I'd have to look, uh, who it came from. What, uh, were they marijuana cops?
Speaker 2:I mean, I don't know if california even has marijuana cops they probably don't but there was some sort of task force from the, from the oversight agency, who were the people that actually targeted that, because we had that issue back in in arizona, you know, and we actually created grants, uh, for local law enforcement agencies to go after caregivers of people who weren't, who were selling illegally and growing illegally. Um, and those you know we we had to pay extra to pima county sheriffs, pima county uh, tucson police department, maricopa county sheriff's, phoenix police department. We had to pay them extra to actually go out and stop the black market activity, because their uh attitude was, yeah, it's still a criminal violation, but we really don't care.
Speaker 2:yeah you know we're not going to be the ones policing the black market.
Speaker 2:But then of course, again, because I have been involved in all this and I'm very transparent it was the tax and regulate legal guys that went out there and pushed for drug war 2.0, prohibition 2.0, to eradicate the black market. This was my activity prior to my understanding of what's right and wrong in the cannabis industry, and my perspective has entirely changed in 2016, 2017, and evolved over time. But between 2012 and 2016, when I was more involved as a lawyer, lobbyist, trying to figure out how this new world should look, I didn't give a damn. So I was working with these individuals and it was a very strange reality. But these individuals are popping up one by one in different States. When people look at this new world order and say what can I do? What can we do here? What can I imagine? How should this work? And you know, these themes are very. They're replicating themselves and that's why I have such a strong opinion about the free market and choice and these things, because you know, don't be fooled this does happen, so whatever.
Speaker 1:This is why I think it's silly that the product and copyright infringement thing to do it if you're doing an illicit market, if you're not part of the regulated market, because isn't like if it wasn't the weed police I think it was was most likely it was the weed police.
Speaker 2:It was the weed police. Yeah, the government unified cannabis enforcement task force, the highly educated team at mida comes through nice, but you know what, uh, but?
Speaker 1:but you catch attention when you do shit like that, right, like trapping 101 is not to be known. Unfortunately, these kids get this taste of branding and marketing and it looks cool, but when you do that copyright infringement, you're bringing this ire on you, which appeals to children.
Speaker 2:There's a lot of stuff happening in the world. This is what I've learned about the cannabis industry, the cannabis movement. The underlying spirit of the cannabis plant, the cannabis movement, the cannabis community, is freedom, it's choice. And when I see people working like this, this, this, the Governor's Unified Cannabis Enforcement Task Force, I promise you it was pushed forward by members of the cannabis industry and I get it. I get it, it, it, I get it. It's their right and it's their interests and it's their business.
Speaker 2:But it doesn't feel right. You know, I'm saying it doesn't feel like the right thing to do if you're going to be involved in the cannabis industry. But they do it quietly. They would lobbyists. They don't say who they are, they you know. But some certain retailers will get together with the governor's people and talk to the task force people and rooms behind the scenes. I was there for a while. They used to welcome me in these rooms. They don't welcome me in me anymore, because I just say what I want to say and I promise not to have a non-honest conversation anywhere I go with anyone I talk to um, you were not cut out for pr so what, what am I?
Speaker 1:doing Business is transparency right. It's transparency, yeah, but the problem is so like, like, for example, let me take a cheap shot at Tom here.
Speaker 2:If I was running for office and they wanted me to be president of the United States, I would have had a presser on day one, sure.
Speaker 1:But like so you seem to talk with the champion about a lot about, uh like the, the legacy people, the traditional market, right like the. But the problem is, like when I used to sell, the most I ever sold was a quarter pound. Like I'd buy a quarter pound and break it up and, uh, you know they had a hustle. But there's a point, though I wasn't planning to be like cookies, right, like the whole trapping thing business, the cannabis industry is business and business is fucking boring and it's fucking. You're going to have a niche. You know whether you're going to be a grower Like?
Speaker 1:I saw a guy I friended him on Facebook recently. He's doing these drops, he's leaving stuff around in his. I think he's in a recreational state, right, growers have balls. But when you're doing a thing, say you grow 100 plants, you break it up. Now how are you building your resume? Right, you're trying to make a. There's no foundation for you because it's all under cover, whereas we do have some because Tom and I, right, we got the store. This is not a fucking fun process.
Speaker 3:You just need to make sure that church says cool Business is shitty like.
Speaker 1:Like you know, we were all excited when we first got this license, but there's also long, arduous process that that chucky cheese is a school I and that's what we're dealing with.
Speaker 3:Right, but we have some pot stocks that we can kind of review over what is out there right now oh, I was telling people about pot stocks at this event and so I saw some people that have retail licenses uh, in in south dakota and they're gearing up for prop 29 and I showed them what we're going to do to help get around the bands on, like social media and online advertising for your dispensary, and we're copying what verano's yeah, verano's doing with the cabbage club. So showing people the cabbage club, yeah.
Speaker 1:First, we need that brick and mortar. We do, we're working on it.
Speaker 3:Can.
Speaker 1:I say something really.
Speaker 3:Miggy I agree with you.
Speaker 2:Business is tough, business is complicated. Regulations exist, permits exist, zoning exists, rules exist, taxes exist, accountants exist, lawyers Look, I get it, I get it. I. I am a villager, miggy. My grandma was born in a village, died in a village. She grew onions and she even lived in the barter system in the mountains of southern mexico.
Speaker 2:I have seen what a world could be like and I see the world that we're creating and the inevitable structures and systems that we create, which, to me, are impediments and restrictions on the creativity of the youth that you have to learn all this foundational crap before you can exercise your vision and creativity and design your own reality. So I see that, and it's unfortunate. Own reality. So I see that, and it's unfortunate. So when I see it in the cannabis industry and I see it restricting the, the dreams of those people who just want to be a farmer and grow cannabis and figure it out in the dirt. They don't want to deal with all this shit. I, I, my heart goes out to them because it reminds me of the spirit of my grandmother, who would have never made it in this new world that we have to have so well, what am?
Speaker 1:I. But let's think about. If you want to be a farmer, that's fine, there's a path now. But what sucks is you gotta be a farmer for now, tilray, or cresco, or somebody who's got the? You're a fucking employee now, right?
Speaker 1:especially in florida I mean you're gonna, and that's the inevitable about this where you hope, uh, uh. You know like I, I buy coca-cola or dr pepper is my favorite right. And I don't know about the people in the factory, I don't know about the fucking uh people packaging and shipping, and I just know I enjoy coca-cola. Eventually weed's gonna be at a point where we're just like it's just weed. But in in this most recent report by the wiki, uh whitney economics, by the canada's business times, you know there's a, there's a whole fluctuation of like a trend of going down when it comes to profitability. But I think it's also give us the data, give us the data yeah, so we got a percentage of us profitable us, canada's businesses.
Speaker 1:In 2022, profitable was 42%. In 2023, it was 24%. In 2024, it's 27%. I think this is just showing you the fucking ups and downs of business right.
Speaker 3:27% of cannabis companies are profitable.
Speaker 1:Yeah, as of 2024.
Speaker 3:That's what it says, See this is why we need Schedule 3. Because, if you had to pay your taxes on your gross revenues instead of your net revenues. It's much more difficult to be profitable, much more. Three out of four cannabis companies are not profitable.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, and are those the big dogs? Are those like mom and pops? Depends on the state. That's the other thing about this data.
Speaker 3:The big dogs are publicly traded. There's one that's profitable, Trulieve, and they own half of Florida.
Speaker 1:Well, and then you got these cannabis excise excess 20, 280 E taxation projections all the way to 2035. They're looking at almost 8 billion that could be gone or it could be used, which is insane. Like rescheduling dollars of profits, yeah, the pro scheduling change would be a stimulative monetary policy allowing operators a greater chance to achieve profitability. And so back to what you said. It's true.
Speaker 2:Yeah, definitely true. I still say forgive them, father, for they know not what they do, which ones? The people designing the drug war 2.0 and prohibition 2.0 inadvertently. They also don't care about you, I know. I'm just saying I can drift off into the sunset knowing that I saw the truth and the inevitable nastiness that we created is what it is. Can you imagine those people that were awake while the drug war started in 68, 70, 72, 73, and they were watching this stuff happen and saying what the fuck is this? You know, and watching the media and the news reports and all that stuff happened back when they were instituting the drug war. I wasn't there and you know, but can you imagine? You know their perspective at the time.
Speaker 3:At least now we do have cannabis legalization news on at licensed dispensaries throughout the United States. Yeah, and so if you? Have a dispensary put us on and also on Grows. Our voices help plants grow. I have no data to support that, but I feel like it's true. I think Destiny's voice would help a lot of things grow.
Speaker 2:Destiny's voice helps plants grow Okay. It helps something grow.
Speaker 3:I hear that Brondo, the thirst mutilator, also helps plants grow.
Speaker 1:Dimitri, how do you define hemp?
Speaker 2:How do I define what Hemp? If that's a trick question, that's a complicated answer, but where are you going with that?
Speaker 1:I mean, how do you define it, man?
Speaker 2:Difference between hemp and marijuana and cannabis. What's the difference? Well, it's just the .03 thing. That's the legal difference. That's it right. It's a fucking thing. I mean that's the legal difference.
Speaker 1:You know that's it, that's it right, it's a fucking plan and that's the whole problem with this is education, with the chip bill eventually rescheduling. You know these people need to pivot and right now, this is the glory days and they they need to understand. Like so the new report that we have, a good entrepreneur is a global hemp market to grow by 13.9 billion from 2023 to 2028. That projection don't mean shit if rescheduling happens next week or whatever.
Speaker 3:That doesn't mean crap If the budget includes the, the the high hemp kill switch or if rescheduling defines it because it's synthetic THC is still a crime.
Speaker 3:It's synthetic THC is still a crime and you're going to see a big change of how hemp is defined Because, like, it's just roiling the market. You can't have us trying to be 500 feet away from a school, carding everybody inventory, control, security system, vault, quarantine protocols, and then just skip all of it, still use it for the exact same purpose and say, oh, it's Delta eight THC or it's, it's THC a. So until you light it on fire, it's not him. I mean, it's not, it's not marijuana, that just completely so like. Imagine, and somebody who owns this shop up in Yankton they have one Yankton, south Dakota Shout out to them they were talking about like hey, yeah, here's the definition of corn.
Speaker 3:But if I take that corn and I go process it and turn it into like beer, I can't really call it corn anymore, can I? Or like, or alcohol, like grain liquor, you know it's, it's, it's liquor, it's not corn. Uh, but they're doing that in hemp and so they're. They're taking hemp, they're doing chemistry, or they're taking weed and then they're testing it in the wrong time and then they're're looking at just the THCA and ignoring that, even though as soon as it comes close to a flame or it's something's wrong in the supply chain, because it's not the nicest supply chain. There's no regulations.
Speaker 2:I don't have any answers. I mean, I don't have necessarily a dog in this fight.
Speaker 3:Well, you do.
Speaker 2:Well, I mean, I grew up in cannabis, in the THC license industry the last 12 years. But truth is much more important than me, my existence or anything we do here. So what is the truth of the situation here? And something has to give, because it's not fair to the THC guys what is happening with unregulated hemp. But what doesn't feel right, mickey, is the fact that I know that it's the marijuana guys, it's the THC guys that are educating to restrict the hemp guys at the level market too, at the black market, at the level that they're restricted, rather than saying, okay, just let the chips fall where they may. That's what doesn't feel right to me and I'm not sure I can't put my finger on it and what it means. But it just doesn't sit well with me because it means that we as an industry, a thc license industry, are the ones poo-pooing and trying to punish them, to bring them up here. Shouldn't we be asking to come down here to where they're at and be less regulated? Let you know saying it just ideally.
Speaker 1:Ideally, you want the schedule right, everybody wants the schedule, but reschedule is the only fucking option we have. The congress is never going to create something together on their own. But the biggest deal, dude, the reason why I'm so adamant about rescheduling, it is protections. It's end-user protections, it's the consumer protection.
Speaker 3:So, like that couple that got fucking busted in North Carolina smoking hemp Delta 9 at a bus stop, or South Carolina, wherever it was, it doesn't matter, it was North Carolina, they bought it at the smoke shop and they're smoking it waiting for a bus and they get arrested, which is like hilarious. If you're going to sell those THCA pre-rolls, you should at least do the crap they used to do with seeds and like put a sticker on it that says for novelty use only, don't light on fire.
Speaker 2:And Miggy you're right and Miggy you're right. Ultimately, I'm talking about whether or not you know NFL players should be able to collectively bargain when the public needs to watch NFL. So you know whose interests are more important. You know the collectively bargaining or whether or not there should be. You know blacks playing football, or you know the issues that the NFL football players have been through as a team, or the interests of all the fans that just want to watch the football?
Speaker 3:you know, and I like when they hit each other and get injured. Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:So you're right.
Speaker 2:I mean schedule three anything, any sort of action, the federal level gets it one step closer to freedom and less restrictions for the consumer, average consumer. I just, I just reflect on these things. But safety.
Speaker 3:We need safety and purity and then standardization. So I think that fixes the hemp problem too. If you're going to be taking cannabis for human use human consumption, not clothes, rope and industrial purposes human use then they need to have a set of rules. This is the inputs that you're allowed to put in. This is what you have to test for it. I don't believe in THC limits. Nature will limit it itself.
Speaker 1:But you know, American policy is so damn bad that we can't do what the hell Ukraine's doing in the middle of a war. I'm just saying we can't go on. Coming from marijuana moment ukraine medical marijuana legalization law officially takes effect, amid ongoing russian conflict. I'm just saying those guys are going through some shit right now. I'm still fucking pass rules to help their fucking citizens.
Speaker 2:So let's do this. It's never as bad as the media makes it out to be. I mean, noam chonsky talked about that a long time ago, back in the 70s. You know, brought brought that issue to the forefront about the unusual partnership between the mainstream media and the defense industrial complex and how they push the theme of war in order to make more money, all that kind of stuff, and so I I still buy into that. I mean, I haven't been to ukraine personally, but uh, then I don't believe anything that I'm told about ukraine.
Speaker 1:So I don't want a vacation there. I don't want a vacation there. I'm just saying I wouldn't, would you?
Speaker 2:I go, somebody send me a ticket, I'll go.
Speaker 3:And that's when we never saw Dimitri again.
Speaker 2:I promise you, is there anybody here on the show from Kiev?
Speaker 3:We do not translate this into Ukrainian. I have a co-worker, we will probably also not be translating it into Russia anytime soon. We definitely will do Chinese, just so we get banned in China. We definitely can't do India A jillion billion people there, wow, and they smoke weed.
Speaker 1:You know, guys, we've been at it for an hour and that was our last story.
Speaker 3:How many stories Are we done with stories?
Speaker 1:Yeah, is that the news for the week? What are you up to this week, man? There's always shit going on. Oh, speaking of you, know what just came out recently? That was the JD Vance and his fentanyl and weed thing.
Speaker 3:Oh God, that was terrible. What happened? Jd Vance said, like fentanyl is being, marijuana is being laced with fentanyl and teenagers are getting it. Yep, yep. Just like the most out-of-touch dare statement you've ever heard and you go. You ought to be ashamed of yourself. We should shave his beard so he looks like the frightened young boy that he is.
Speaker 1:He does not use eyeliner or fucks couches that we could deny. I don't know what you're saying.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, that was it.
Speaker 1:Allegedly Shit. You guys got plans CannaCon plans. Can guys got plans Canacon?
Speaker 3:plans, canacon plans. We got to tear down this bitch because it's it closes at five, and so we might have one more podcast or we might have to pack it up, should we? Share like a preview of what the floor looks like. Sure, let's preview the floor.
Speaker 1:Everybody's closing up now. It's not a good time. They're kind of closing up.
Speaker 3:In fairness to Canacon, it's fine. Well, there's Destiny, let's preview Destiny. Fantastic.
Speaker 1:I didn't want to get on because they asked me to get on, I was like that's like a sausage sandwich, I'm okay.
Speaker 2:I'm sitting right here A sausage sandwich, what's that?
Speaker 1:Because you guys are mad.
Speaker 2:That's you, isn't that a?
Speaker 3:sausage fest. This is your fault. Well, yeah, it is a sausage fest. But if I'm in the middle, right between you, that's a sausage, oh between us Okay.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you better come sit right here.
Speaker 2:I thought you meant the show's audience was like a sausage.
Speaker 1:No, we have data on that.
Speaker 2:I saw some females in here. Shout out Rosemary.
Speaker 1:I want to say it's about 90% men 90% of these 40s to 50s, something like that.
Speaker 3:The important thing is the education. We help educate people and then we also advocate why don't you tell people where they can get in touch with you, Dimitri, and we'll wrap this up.
Speaker 2:I was just thinking about education in general and the one thing I know is the more I see, the less I know, the more I find out as I go. Those kind of things mean a lot to me. I'm a confused soul in a confusing world. It is what it is. I'm not going to lie about it. My name is Dimitri Downing. It is what it is. I'm not going to lie about it. My name is Demetri Downing. You can always look us up wwwmit-azorg. Sign up for our META, our newsletter. We're on META Unshackled. There's a lot of information. We ask a lot of questions to a lot of people and let them tell their stories, and then you guys can figure out what's real from there.
Speaker 3:Awesome, and my name is Tom. You can find me right here. We're going to have to schedule Kyle Cushman. We've got to get back to his people and have him as a guest.
Speaker 3:Who else needs to come on as a guest. Let us know we're going to be revamping the CannabisLegalizationNewscom website just to make it really easy for people to go and sign up for our newsletter, which comes out when the show comes out. So if you want to go to a cannabis cannabis industry lawyer right now, you could sign up for our newsletter, and soon on cannabis legalization news dot com.
Speaker 1:Thanks for hanging.
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