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Cannabis Legalization News Podcast
From Hemp Legislation to Creative Strain Names
Can cannabis rescheduling revolutionize the banking industry for state-legal marijuana businesses? Join us on this special Father's Day edition of Cannabis Legalization News, where we dive headfirst into the recent removal of marijuana banking protections by a GOP-controlled House committee. We'll unpack the significance of the SAFE Banking Act, the hurdles faced by dispensaries due to banking restrictions, and why a comprehensive regulatory system for cannabis is absolutely essential. Plus, enjoy some light-hearted Father's Day banter as we explore the broader implications of this legislative setback.
Shifting gears, we dissect the impact of the GOP's budget cuts on the hemp industry and the agricultural appropriations bill. Discover the intricate dance of American politics in a polarized environment, where debates on women's rights, gun control, and infrastructure reform slow legislative progress. Our discussion gives a detailed look into how hemp-related legislation is being sidelined and what this means for the future of the industry. If you're curious about the behind-the-scenes machinations of policy-making, this is a conversation you won't want to miss.
Finally, we explore the fascinating world of cannabis marketing and consumer behavior. Learn how creative strain names and rebranding efforts can significantly boost sales, maintaining both consumer interest and brand integrity. We also touch on the critical importance of product testing and transparency within the industry, drawing parallels with past financial crises to emphasize the need for consumer trust. From the contentious political landscape to innovative marketing strategies, this episode offers a comprehensive view of the ever-evolving world of cannabis legalization and its multifaceted challenges.
look at my kids got me anyway. Welcome to the father's day show on cannabis legalization news. My name is tom. You can find me here and on CannabisIndustryWirecom. We have a big Father's Day show. It wasn't the largest week of news, but there was news that came in and so we're going to cover it all. And you're going to want to stick around to 20 past the hour because we have Strange Show Matt joining us and so we're going to discuss our lead story, a congressional committee is stripping marijuana banking protections from key spending bills.
Speaker 1:So let's bring on our co-host.
Speaker 2:Hey buddy, hey Miggie, How's it going?
Speaker 1:man, I'm there but I'm not.
Speaker 2:Happy.
Speaker 1:Father's Day to everybody who showed up. Happy Father's Day to everybody who showed up and hopefully you're having a great one and enjoying whatever dads like to do on their Father's Day. I busted my ass in the yard yesterday. I tell you what. I built a raised bed garden and then I went to Lowe's and got a whole bunch of hoses and so now we have a splitter on our hose, so we have like two hoses.
Speaker 2:But I mean, and also to the single moms who are acting like dad. So we got a congressional committee strips marijuana bank protection from key spending bill. Ooh, that was nice.
Speaker 1:This is the GOP controlled house committee bill stripping marijuana banking protections from a large-scale spending bill and introduced and approved by a subcommittee to include language that prevents federal regulators from penalizing financial institutions or simply working with state legal cannabis businesses, and that was removed. So I guess they don't like you. Well, this is just a compliant safe banking act right.
Speaker 1:In a nutshell, they try, and so that's the thing you got to get crafty. And then we have another story about some other crafty legislators coming about hemp later on in the program. But yeah, and so if this thing isn't going to pass, they try to slip it into other things to see if they can get it passed that way. And what did they? And what did it meet with? It met with a no from conservative politicians. So you know, it's one of those where and it was, it's like infighting in their own program. Because this is Representative Dave Joyce, republican out of Ohio, lead sponsor of the standalone bipartisan marijuana banking legislation.
Speaker 2:So this is another reason why it shows so important, why rescheduling is important right, because we won't need safe banking if rescheduling happens correct, because this will allow for a pathway.
Speaker 1:No, yes, yes, no. And so you have to understand. And this is the video that I just did. Unfortunately, it was a little too political for people, so it got a a lot of thumbs down and a lot of people just didn't watch the whole thing, because they're like I'm not voting for biden.
Speaker 1:I'm like, yeah, yeah, it's not about that, it's about the administration can change this process, and many of the conservatives tend to hate weed vis-a-vis this. I mean, like it's an oh Ohio Republican that's pretty much centrist, saying 40 states have legalized this, we should allow them to have banking Steny Hoyer, who's been in Congress for longer than I've probably been alive, and so he's a Democrat out of Maryland and he strongly supports the provision and believes this is the way to get it passed. You know, and they need to get it out on the vote on the floor. But then is the way to get it passed. You know, and they need to get it out on the vote on the floor, but then will it go to the Senate, because you can't get a bill out of the Senate unless somebody has 60 votes.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, this again.
Speaker 2:You know, if you're watching us, you're trying to figure out how to legalize weed, right, you're trying to figure out how we can get to, we are trying to get to a regulatory path for this plant and and that's how it becomes descheduled, right, eventually.
Speaker 2:I asked chat gpt the other day. I was like, what is a regulatory system? Because sometimes we we like, oh, tax is bad and all the other bullshit, but like, welcome to being a grown-up. You know, it's like there's a lot of things that we got to do and don't do to survive and all that stuff. But uh, a regulatory system is a framework established by a government or authority to create, enforce and oversee rules and regulations that govern specific activities or sectors. So this is going to be the cannabis is medicine. Yes, we can all agree, uh, but we need that path to get to that point, you know, because this is more than we have and and if people care about the plant and they care about legalization, stop itching about what we're not getting and just take what we can so we can keep moving forward.
Speaker 1:That's right. I spent the weekend, well, and some of the last week litigating some guy who thinks he's well litigating, and so they. You know you have to sue people and for the first time ever, I might get to dismiss something for lack of subject matter jurisdiction from state court, which is pretty. It never really happens, yeah yeah, but then it had to do with when the legislation drafts what they call a comprehensive regulatory scheme. That was what they called it. That was the term of art in this case about gambling, cause, like Illinois legalized gambling like 15 years ago. So do you, if you go into a bar and I'm not saying that you should, uh, but or like any establishment in um washington state, are there like a whole bunch? Is it like you're walking into like a mini um uh, vegas where there's, like you know, uh, video poker games and like slot machines everywhere? Or behind an area when you don't want the cannabis.
Speaker 1:No just in. Washington State. You go to a bar and there's just video games that you can gamble on. There are 46,000 46,000 video gambling devices in the state of Illinois Since 2009, when they legalized it.
Speaker 2:And this you're using in a cannabis-type contract, though. Right this argument that you had in court.
Speaker 1:Similar, and so it was a precursor contract to place these gambling devices. But the gambling devices and their licensure is the purview of the Illinois Gaming Board, and so this one is for pre-licensure acquisition of conditional licenses and turning it into an operational license and injecting the social equity guy for pennies on the dollar. But it's the same concept in the sense that they are creating these contracts that have to do with rights that belong to the state of Illinois, because that is who owns the cannabis licenses, and then the jurisdiction for who gets the cannabis license like the regulator we were working with is the IDPFR, and so that's who has the jurisdiction for regulating and awarding cannabis licenses. Very often in every state they're like that.
Speaker 1:So I'm not sure if this is something that when I get licensed in Missouri and I find out somebody was doing something to their social equity guys down in Missouri, I'd be like you might not have subject matter jurisdiction on that. This will be fun for me.
Speaker 2:This is the real meat and potatoes of legislation. What you're doing right now, the legalization. This is the thing that's going to be, the thing that enables legalizations, about being able to, just like me, walk into a store as a consumer, walk in, walk out and buy it right. We're going to be store owners here soon and we're still going to be.
Speaker 1:We are store owners. We have a year to find the real estate. Right now it is a different. They call it a syndicate, and so I'm putting together a real estate syndicate of the people that want the information.
Speaker 2:But I'm just saying it's way, far different than, say, going out meeting a guy, buying a quarter pound, not exchanging fake names and then flipping it for lack of a better term. It's not like that no more. And then we got a case.
Speaker 1:Not a case, but we got a story out of the Biden administration. I think it's not going to be like this either with marijuana rescheduling, and so I believe this was out of marijuana moment this past week Biden administration mischaracterizing marijuana rescheduling impact as big pharma is waiting in the wings, according to a former Massachusetts regulator. I disagree, and this is why I think we are going to get schedule three, cannabis for natural marijuana, which is going to be completely different, and I think natural marijuana is going to be generic and not over the counter. But you have to understand, like once. And then the state banking act. It's the same type of thing, Just rescheduling.
Speaker 1:It doesn't fix all these crimes right. So you have to reschedule it. And then you have to tell the FDA to use their rule of making authority as well to change how you can now have these regulated dispensaries and operators that are growing the plant getting compliance with interstate law, so that all of those crimes just disappear. So, by those two changes in regulatory schemes being at the FDA's level, which would be the Food, Drug, Cosmetic Act, and then the DEA's level, which would be the Controlled Substances Act, the administration staying the same over the course of the next five years, because it might take like three or four years is very important Because if the Democrats by and large are trying to legalize it and they aren't In Illinois we had some problems with the Democrats standing in the way of it- that's the thing about politics, right?
Speaker 2:You can't just throw a blanket, whether it be Democrat, republican except for nowadays where the Republican is some little freakazoid who believes in QAnon shit. For real policy to happen, for real things to make change. This is how it is. It's not. It's not an overnight uh thing. You know, besides the all the treaty stuff that you talked about, you know we're trying to uh when it comes to policy. Right, it can be revoked, right, women's rights right on on the ballot.
Speaker 1:So there's a lot of things yeah, but then the then congress and I, the supreme court was like take the pill, take the pill, so they didn't. But then the bump stocks aren't machine guns, or, like you didn't make the bump stock machine gun ban correct enough, so now, yay, more machine guns. I was really uh, getting bored of not reading a headline of like a mass shooting on the reg, like in in america, like you used to, like you know, five, seven years ago, right dude I have.
Speaker 2:I have one of those signs that say uh, uh, how many days since a shooting, uh, in america, type you know, at work there's an accident thing. Yeah, same thing. It never meets. You know there was a bad couple years there. But you know, with this regulatory process, you know why the democrats are so important for this. And things are happening right, like we have infrastructure bills going on I bitch more every day about like so much road construction going on. Things are trickling down when it comes to like economy and people and this is real progress. It's happening. You know it doesn't happen overnight, just like our store Right Right now we're doing this.
Speaker 1:Right, I can't hear you anymore, but what you said. But let's move on to the next story, because the next story is more of the political crap at the federal level when it comes to, well, it looks like hemp's going to go away, uh. And so this is a new one that came out earlier on in this week. It has to do with the appropriations from the Ag Committee, and so most consumable hemp-based cannabinoid products would be banned under another GOP's committee bill. And so now you have it's coming in from both sides. It's like well, we might not get the farm bill passed. Well, that's all right, let's also put it into this other committee bill. And then this is the farm bill passed. Well, that's all right, let's also put it into this other committee bill. And then this is the information on that. So you go out to the actual appropriations committee and every time they have a hearing, they would put out something like this and this one's from Tuesday, june 11th. And so they have the and this is how you can tell they don't care about you him. I want you to like, look at this. So, and it's not me, don't? You don't need to thumbs down the channel because I said like people don't care about him. Let me just show you the math on it. And so here is the little. So what of of this?
Speaker 1:You know the subcommittee mark summary. This is their agricultural, rural development, food and drug administrative related agencies Appropriations Act. You know what appropriations mean. It means the cashes and the monies, and so Congress gets the purse and they get to set the monies. But then, of course, this one is the president's budget request, and so the president puts out his budget on an annual basis, and these conservatives are so conservative that they slashed 9.4% down from what he wanted. And I want you to see this. This is only a four-page summary. The word hemp does not appear once, not once. It's all about the monies, the biggest monies being this one, so Flamental Nutrition Assistance Program, snap. This one provides how many billions for SNAP? Was it like $123 billion in mandatory funding for SNAP, which is an increase of almost $800 million because of inflation? And then there's more food programs for SNAP. But if you add up the farm bill, the whole thing would be about $1.4 trillion. This one's not the whole farm bill, but it's hundreds of billions of dollars in the budget, right? So there's that aspect of it and in that uh, you know markup that they have, then you can actually go to the mark right here, which is the text of the law that they've provided 126 pages.
Speaker 1:Their hemp does appear nine whole whopping times, and they have the hemp. It's got a number one. So it's like you know, you're not allowed to prohibit the transportation or sale of these hemp plants or the hemp grown in this. And then hemp, of course, right there, hemp means this. And then there's B exclusions, and so, like hemp is something defined by what it is not, then there's b exclusions, and so, like hemp is something defined by what it is not, and it says any seeds that exceeds a total tetrahydrocannabinol including thca. So it's like thc or thc of 0.3 in the plant on a dry weight basis. And so they're saying, well, how? But then how do you get? How can you tell that seed came from that plant, whatever? I don't like the seeds being banned and that sucks right. And then, um, but then the cannabinoids, the uh, the synthetic cannabinoids, anything like that, any quantifiable, any quantifiable amount of thc, including thca, they're on to you guys, they're on to you and that's just buried right in there.
Speaker 1:They don't't even. It's so unimportant to them. They don't even refer to it in the summary.
Speaker 2:That's fine, buddy.
Speaker 1:It's 420 somewhere. Okay, yeah, if you're smoking on some THC hemp or some other hemp flower, good news Hopefully soon, medical marijuana is legal nationwide and you won't have to do that, no more. And now, thank you for calling a real bass. You're paying my for my life and I enjoy it. What up Matt reminds me of, let's bring on the man there. You go, miggy. We have to work on your transitions, buddies, all our transitions, uh, yeah, well, it is. It's strange show matt joining us, uh, from colorado.
Speaker 1:Thank you so much for joining us, he's got a huge youtube channel that explains so many aspects of cannabis and we're grateful to have him here to talk about the news. What's going on in your neck of the woods in Colorado?
Speaker 3:Just chilling in Colorado, not dealing with any of that craziness like we have in Illinois. I'm working right now on actually finishing up a home grow guide series on the channel for people. It's now getting home growing. I know a lot of people might be thinking about that more and more recently with all these changes coming up is that every state does it a little?
Speaker 1:different every state does it different? Like miggy's, like oh, we don't have home grow in washington. I'm like you have just the same home grow I have here in illinois. Just get your medical card and they'll allow you to do a little bit. And so, like right now I have one plant in that closet, just one, and then there's a lot of like basil and parsley and and other green leafy vegetables. It's good yeah matt?
Speaker 2:uh, what is the focus of your channel? Is it because I've seen a lot of like products on your channel and you're talking about home growing? Are you a grower then?
Speaker 3:or because I'm talking go ahead oh, my bad.
Speaker 3:I am a grower at home. I also work in the cannabis industry as a grower, and the channel is just uh, more like a broad scope of cannabis education. The theme of the channel is new fun facts about weed every week. So then may that be cannabis history. I do like strain history. We do product reviews. We've been looking at home growing recently, just now getting into that pretty much just um. If you have questions about cannabis, my channel may have the answer to some of those questions okay, dude, that's right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and it's great. I mean, you had that one about skunk and then some about blueberry. It's like the famous strains that I'd heard of and I'm like whoa. And then looking at where they came from, and it's decades ago, that's the thing, and they're pretty simple crosses, because back then they really just had a lot of land-raised seeds and they're like hey, what if we started crossing these together like they do for other products, and then, decades later, we have all these flavors.
Speaker 3:Now, when you look at a strain lineage, there'll be 50 crosses. And you look at some of these strains, like, for example, the skunk number one that's like a base of so many modern day strains and there's only three cultivars in that whole strain, but it was three really really nice cultivars from all different regions of the earth and then you bring them all together in this hybrid. Vigor was like it was something people had never really seen before. Just that one strain of skunk number one sort of changed indoor cultivation, flipped it on its head and showed people like, wow, these, these plants have crazy potential. And so then you have these classic strains there's maybe a handful of them and then they start getting bred with everything that everybody has because they're like, wow, this skunk is amazing, let's cross it with this and see what happens.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's kind of how I think of cookies from 2010. Like cookies from 2010 or GSC, because they got sued by Girl Scouts, obviously. But then that genetic just created all these other things and and you could, there's not that many strains that created hundreds of strains.
Speaker 2:you know, it's really interesting yeah well, like when we talk about varieties, though, too, we're talking about, like the experience from it right, like the. I think that's part of the reason why legalization gets lost in the sauce. When people talk about need more studies, you know we really need more studies you know what I think this is.
Speaker 1:I think this is why we need natural marijuana to be this own thing. That's going to be a schedule three and then, like, you register, like here's the rules, just like they did for hemp five years ago. It's like here's the rules. Register with the dea, follow the rules, you go over the line and you have a hemp license. Oops, you have a weed license for this. No, well, you should they're like you know move the hemp over to the weed license. Then, uh, and because, like, then you start regulating all these downstream products, and that would, yes, close the hemp loophole, but but it would allow for this is important I mean Indiana, iowa, wisconsin, idaho, bullshit, areas of the country that are dependent on what they call red state weed or your THCAs or your hemp. No, it's going to be a plant there, schedule three, legal, and so we might be able to sue in court to get your right to have that medicine in that state.
Speaker 1:That'd be really interesting, yeah, but then that takes some time, you know.
Speaker 3:I also like the idea of having that natural plant designation to maybe, like you were saying earlier, to sort of keep this separate from like big pharmaceutical products, that that plant, the natural plant that we love, these classic strains. Maybe that won't be what big pharma is putting their focus on.
Speaker 1:It can't and it can't, and so, like hyatt nine is joining us as well. You know, shout out to them. But the the reason why it may be that is because the fda has found what they call camu, currently accepted medical use in this plant, but also mentioned about how not necessarily nefarious but complex it is when we are talking about these various cultivars and its chemical profiles. It's not a standardized thing. It's not like you're going to take aspirin.
Speaker 1:Even a hash or a rosin or something that's pressed that has a TURP profile is going to be unique, as opposed to if you just go and you get Tylenol, which is antacidaminophen, and so typically drugs are a synthetic lab made. One thing that very often you can get patented and eventually they go, but cannabinoids for antioxidant neuroprotectorant is off patent, but cannabinoids for antioxidant neuroprotectorant is off patent. So maybe there's going to be this generic or over-the-counter to a certain extent, but not really over-the-counter. You have to go to a licensed cannabis dispensary where you could then purchase medical, and then it's not pharmaceutical grade but it would definitely be medical grade cannabis.
Speaker 3:That is a wholly new made-up term of art that doesn't exist at federal law yet yeah, because they they wouldn't even really be able to do the clinical trials to get the fda approval with. I don't think or am I wrong in thinking this that you would have to like really test on a per plant basis to do your clinical trials just because of like the variances even in one garden, just plant to plant yeah, that's a really interesting point, matt.
Speaker 1:And so if we look up right now and everybody can't look up the number of ids, I think it's no ind or ds and so, like you know, or NDAs, new drug applications for the FDA, a new drug application, nda and then an IND.
Speaker 1:I think it's like interventional novel drug or like investigational novel drug, some type of criteria under the FDCA, not the Controlled Substances Act, and so while it was Schedule I, none of this shit would have even come up. No, you know, because it wasn't considered. And then marijuana is treated differently than other pharmaceutical drugs under the controlled substances act, so why wouldn't it continue to be treated differently if natural marijuana was schedule three? Yeah, you know, but these rules don't exist and so so I'm trying to lobby the and so anybody at home can go check out the video that I did on Tuesday, where I'm like here, copy and paste this, and here's the link I don't have it up, but it's on the channel and the link to leave your comment, which you still got a month to leave your comment and trying to influence the process. Because if they gave us this, here's what a dispensary is, here's what a grow is, here's how you register it yeah, but first you gotta find the plan nationwide in black and white
Speaker 2:yeah, right, but the uh, aren't we kind of like at a crossroads too?
Speaker 2:Guys think like we're, you know, because tom's very analytical with the, the law part, right, like the actual csa and all the other alphabet groups that happen to be involved.
Speaker 2:But overall, how we view medicine and and just like it doesn't have to be man-made but a holistic version, right, we have western medicine and we have, you know, ancient medicine. Like there's got to be a new term of art, tom, like where there is, uh, an understanding, acceptance, right, like, like, like alcohol, whiskey was used, like in gunshot wounds and shit back in the day, yeah, you know, I mean, everything has its purpose, but like for this plant to achieve and it's why it's so important for rescheduling, because, you know, even like with like uh influencers, you know, you know, matt, I, I just wish, like people like dope, as yola or whoever the hell it is out there, would promote like, hey, comment if you're 18 and over and also vote, because, uh, you know, if you want progress and you want uh, uh changed in your lifetime yeah, dude I had hair to my back like yours, that fucking yeah started, man, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:I've been trying to encourage all my viewers to definitely go, uh, do the same thing and leave those comments, because not only is this a rare opportunity for cannabis law and it's so overdue for the feds to like finally admit the medicinal uses of this plant, but I also feel like it's just very rare that they even would consider listening to me and giving a damn what I have to say and leaving it up to be read as a public comment.
Speaker 2:But it still matters, it's still you don't have to put a word. It's like voting right it's. Or even like uh likes and subscribes right, like like tom and I, you know, I'm like, like, like this is a free thing you do for us, like, if you like the us shooting the shit and whatever every Sunday, you know, trying to get real policy done and trying to get you know it's not the. This is not the sexiest thing. I joke when Tom talks like we just put on porno music and just call it good because the legislation dude, you know subject matter jurisdiction oh yeah, Sexy stuff.
Speaker 1:I know right. Calm down ladies, hey, no, ladies watching the show. I have the data. Anyway so we have some more news, though, out of Congress. So a congressional committee is pushing federal agencies to study state marijuana laws and reconsider cannabis use policies for government workers. That came out of the marijuana moment on June 12th. That's great news, I mean, and that's what I think Schedule 3 will bring is we're going to have more protections at work for using the plant medicinally.
Speaker 2:Well, that's legalization, right, guys here in Washington State. Before it was, uh, recreational adult use whatever term of art you want to use for this thing that we all believe in uh, you worked at a dispensary. You didn't get any, uh guaranteed time off. You didn't get lni. You didn't get uh anything. You just got underpaid table and hope that you can make enough one day to retire or however you live, you know.
Speaker 3:But and good luck getting a loan for a car or a house or anything either, when you have that no, that's all a default, it's all a default.
Speaker 1:Everything it's all money laundering it is. And so, like one of the reasons why it is a an informational syndicate for those who are curious about the knowledge of, like, what is the best layout for a dispensary? How do you find a dispensary and get a traditional financing for your construction loan? What other types of things do you need to put next to your dispensary to hedge your bets? Because, man, a dispensary revenues just ain't what they used to be.
Speaker 1:All of those things aspect of the business which there are some banks that'll bank, cre, commercial real estate, but that CRE is not the actual doing of the business. That schedule one license or they call it a tier one MRB marijuana related business. We're going to get a bank account for that, but only really leading up to when we have to start making expenses, because they're spicy as shit, like they charge you like a thousand bucks a month or more. Everything's just crushed through the roof because you are literally the money, literally money laundering. Every, every transaction that you do at a dispensary or at your grow is textbook. Currently, right now, still, even with the hemp loophole money laundering. Um, the hemp loophole doesn't apply, you know, because then that would be if you're brokering an agricultural commodity like it is money laundering and this is all the more reason for rescheduling, because it creates a pathway.
Speaker 2:You know it's not done, it's just. It creates that pathway for the banks to get the shit together, for the stores, the regulatory store stuff, the gross stuff. You know there's gonna be rules for all, every level. You know you just gotta and we're gonna have to learn how to pivot, because that's what all this shit's about. Right? Anybody who's gotten the hemp already like like you took a risk. Now you made your money. You better figure out how to like when the rules come into play.
Speaker 3:You know that's it and this banking would be great, too, to cut down on like potential violence. So many people are sitting on big safes full of cash because that's all they can do.
Speaker 1:Robbery risk, robbery risk, and so you have a light fungible commodity. There's probably like three or four ounces in this, but it's homegrown, but it is, it's nice, it's what I know it's because it's homegrown.
Speaker 1:Hell yeah, hell yeah. I don't go through it so much so I want to keep the light out of it. But that's easy to get away with, right, because it's like three, four ounces, something like that in here and you can leave, and three or four ounces and we're hundreds of dollars. And then they actually have double bags of hundreds of dollars because they aren't allowed to use anything to do a transaction.
Speaker 3:And so we, of course we're in the history of drug dealing because you have to leave your product and your cash in the same lock box. So if somebody gets one, they get the other yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and do you know how much that that's vault is gonna? It's gonna be about 700 square feet and it's gonna be wrapped in, uh, wire, mesh or or worse and other stuff that is related to because there is such a thing as a schedule one safe. There is like a thing you can under federal regulations about what it is and you can build that stuff there yeah and um, and so you could build that into your system.
Speaker 1:But then, uh, the system that you have besides that security of your vaults and then whatever type of safe that you want to put in there, you have the, it's the key cards, like the access control, and then you have the video and you have the alarm and so all of that crap. Six figures and in our state at least. You in other states maybe get less, but with Illinois, any door in and out you go from you have to be able to see, just like this HD, trained on the face, backed up, sent to the cops.
Speaker 3:You've got to keep it on record for the state here, I think for six months, all of your video footage. And if they come in at any day they want to just pop in and say, hey, show me six months worth of video footage, you better have it. Is that like that for liquor stores out there too?
Speaker 2:I don't think so, but even when people don't get the money.
Speaker 3:I've worked at a grow where someone came in through the ceiling. They destroyed the AC ventilation. Oh yeah, came in through the ceiling. Everything was locked. Like all of the finished product we had on hand was locked. There was no money on site because this although they didn't realize it, this was just a grow facility with no storefront attached. Oh fuck.
Speaker 3:No money ever came into this place anyways. But when they fell through the ceiling they fell right into the garden. They fell into plants that we were actually going to harvest that week. You can see on CCTV they ran into the veg room and they pulled up about 50 veg plants and tried to leave with them just in their arms. They left with nothing of value Balls and no brains, these robbers. Lots of cojones.
Speaker 2:You're a magnet, right.
Speaker 3:Everybody that has that mind of easy money that's robbed. They look at every single one of these cannabis businesses under the current law and they know that they can't even use the fucking bank. So they have not only 1,000 pounds of fresh weed bagged up ready to be sold, they also have all the money they've made this month right there in the center, since since the brink's truck showed up.
Speaker 1:But yeah, that's, and these are, these are real things that schedule three can fix. But I think we're gonna need and you know, hyatt nine's in the the show and he runs a dispensary in california too. He knows like hey, get a different safe for your money, otherwise let's think, yeah, hyatt 9's in the show and he runs a dispensary in California too. He knows he's like hey, get a different safe for your money, otherwise it'll stink. Yeah, good point.
Speaker 1:But then when you have this, and so if the FDA creates rules for the newly created at law, dea, schedule 3, cannabis, dispensaries and cultivation areas, that could create a pathway for complete federal compliance for all licensed operations, not for unlicensed operations. But then you know every state would have a standard. And then, just like they did with hemp, but you know they should have with hemp that's one of the problems Like I thought, they defined it so broadly that it really, like you know, know, implied they could do all these things. But then, like you know, it was just for the usda's purview growing the crop, all the processing and the downstream products. There was nothing there. It's just nothing there.
Speaker 2:It just says don't go over this line, and then that opened up a whole different world well, like you guys are saying, someone who wants easy money, who thinks there's easy money out there. This is not the whole point of this is how many potato farms are raided by strangers Because potatoes can make vodka right, so it can take you to a next level, type thing.
Speaker 1:It's more like gold mines. It's not a potato, it's something valuable and again how many times are someone breaking into middle factories?
Speaker 2:right. This thing with the commodities not worth shit because it's already been leveled out Right, but we're still. We are living in history as this goes. Right, because, matt, when you worked at the, you said you worked at a hemp farm and so like 25 acres is nothing to snuff at when you're staring around you. We like this is hemp or just marijuana, right.
Speaker 3:It is marijuana. You know it's just marijuana. Like when you're looking at the plant you're not looking at a coa or a test result. You're looking at a seven foot tall cannabis plant and it's 25 acres of them and they're beautiful. And around this whole farm there were signs this is low thc hemp crop to you know, prevent people from trying to steal it. But on one of the nights I was at this hemp crop I was just gonna hang out at the farm all night sleep in the tent. A guy came up into the damn weed field and he had just robbed a neighboring weed field. He was like high on drugs, oh my god. He got caught up in some barbed wire coming into the weed field I was working at and he found me in my tent and he was like all cut up and needing water. He's all high on drugs trying to rob me, all sliced up, and then he wakes me up in the middle of the night to get some water.
Speaker 3:And worst day of your life, man, that's crazy and it's because people look at this crop as like a really easy thing to get rich on real quick. If you think of people to rob, people go that way a lot of times.
Speaker 1:They do but it happens with everything like the real estate aspect of it. They call it green zone. People will find out like, oh, because people hate it. Like you know, we were talking about all these regulations and what you can't do, and there's a lot of things you can't do. And then the hemp loophole looks like it's getting close because people hate it and and so you're like, all right, well, how are we supposed to even try to navigate this and make any money? And then people are like, oh, I'm gonna rob you. Yeah, that's that easy money you got it.
Speaker 2:I know you do. You know we should take a look at this thing that we're talking about and why we enjoy our day sometimes.
Speaker 1:Yes, let's watch what we're fighting for.
Speaker 3:T-H-C-C-T-H-C-C. That's a good dream.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Will made that up. He kicked that thing up a few months ago and there you go. So if you don't mind, Matt, we'll move up a little bit so that we can all be in shot. That is the strain of the week and again they are cultivars. One of the things we want after Schedule 3 is to see if we could sell the rights to sponsor this part of the show, because we have data we could show them. You could sponsor the whole second half of the show. We call you the Name that Strain, second half sponsor.
Speaker 2:Yeah, oh, this is the package.
Speaker 1:Purple City Genetics.
Speaker 2:We're working on something dude, we're going to get something done. We're working on something dude, we're going to get something done. I mean, we're doing it right. It's just real time. So there's a mix between GMO and Gushmans. If that helps anybody, that's out there for California.
Speaker 3:It's a document and it is a hard one.
Speaker 1:It would be for me. This was tricky. Let's see here. I got to go down to the. Nts.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah.
Speaker 1:GMO.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's funny.
Speaker 1:It's kind of got a play on words uh from. Gmo to start it and so like the GMO is kind of like a play on word, that um is oh, it is from city genetics. Good for them. I think I got some of their stuff. It says but they.
Speaker 2:I got some of their stuff it says Gushmans I should pop those beans, but they have good genetics.
Speaker 1:They make some powerful crap. But yeah, and so this is. It's a hybrid, of course, like they all are. Gmo crossed with Gushmans, purple City Genetics is the breeder and then GMO is the hint, because, like the name of it is, is basically you could use GMO as its acronym.
Speaker 2:Matt, do you think we'll be in a time frame when people don't put names on their stuff On the strain? Yeah, like there's a point where we're smoking and you're just like you know, you walk in, what is your purpose, you walk and go. Like I got this pretty funny one called Den Diesel, the name, has a little truck trailer on it. Yeah, good. One called den diesel the name. It has a little trucker trailer on it. Yeah, good, good, it's tasty. Right, because I said I want something gassy. Yeah, like, I mean, if the grower, the name sticks with the grower pretty much right.
Speaker 3:Like I just don't trust any other genetic or a thing I love that the name is can be used as, like you know, respect to the original breeder and the grower, and I would love to see maybe something to where people aren't buying off of a name or a percentage they're looking at like the contents of the flower, maybe a terpene and cannabinoid profile on every package. That would be great, but from working in the legal industry, I have little faith I'll ever see this day, because I've seen people that run nice dispensaries that I respected up until this point. There was one that had a strain called Glass Slipper and it didn't sell very well and they changed the name to Gucci Slipper and then overnight became the number one selling strain.
Speaker 2:And they started renaming everything.
Speaker 1:They just named this strain tiger king because it was a what matt has talked about is not idiosyncratic to the naming and this is why I don't think strain names will ever go away. It's marketing. But these, this, this, this thing that matt's talking about is it's widely known and so when I got into writing books and I have like the one that I did behind me, I, I ab tested the title of the name and because I had read, like you know, back in, like the paperback writer, like you know, even before the beatles, back when people would like write paperbacks and like they would buy them and all that, yeah, they would ab test those names and then one of them would sell like a hundred books and one of them would sell like 10 000 books they'd be like sorry about that, I got the got the wrong title on that one, my bad.
Speaker 3:Exactly so much didn't sell, so now you named it what the other guy suggested, a name you doesn't you feel like doesn't even really reflect your book yeah, they don't give a fuck about your reflection.
Speaker 1:They care about what they already know. That's why it worked in this instance.
Speaker 2:That goes to the consumer, though. Right, that goes to the consumer because I want an experience that I know is going to be like like I said I walk in, I'd be like I want something gassy, garlicky, I want something that's going to hit me down. I talk about description and they'll be'll be like, okay, here's what you want, but like I've yet to be. Like I want blue dream. Because it's blue dream. You know, I used to back when it was medical, but now it's not even like a uh, because I trust the grower more. Back then it was more like if this person said it was blue dream, I know what experience I'm going to get from it and yeah, sometimes you get a blue dream for somebody else.
Speaker 2:You're like it had the same flavor, but not the same high, maybe not the same. Well, for, whatever that word is, yeah, we got it, ish, and then so that's it Right Government Oasis.
Speaker 1:So it is a play on GMO and also the government.
Speaker 3:Very nice, I noticed you were asking Miggy. It is a Gushmints, which is a cross of Cushmints, durbin and Gushers. So again names right, yeah.
Speaker 1:Are you kidding? Do you think Girl Scout cookies would have worked if they called it? You know, puppy dogs? No, it wouldn't work for shit.
Speaker 3:The name was cookies. As a brand was becoming popular just off their logo being seen in the right places. No one even knew what it was, and it was gaining popularity. It was a clothing brand.
Speaker 1:OG Kush, his headband and music.
Speaker 2:Well, I see that here too Okay.
Speaker 1:Well, I'm just saying like strain names will not go away because they're a part of marketing and marketing won't go away, and so the difference in marketing like again headband OG Kush, like boom or like what was it? Glass slipper versus Gucci something with Gucci slipper.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:There you go.
Speaker 3:One chain. That's nice stuff. I know that. I've heard of that before it has. You know it's that's nice stuff, I know that.
Speaker 2:I've heard of that before it's brand recognition.
Speaker 3:Like you're saying, it's branding. I bet if I had the same exact strain, I called it the same exact thing and I put one in some unnecessary big Mylar bag with some cool design on it and a nice little image and the other one's just in a black opaque jar. I bet the one in the bag with the crazy images and the cool strain name sells more.
Speaker 2:No, you're right, I and I think I just try to romanticize. What like cannabis is it used to be like? I used to, you know, get either you had good, good weed and be like, oh, that's fire. You're like, oh, that's fire, it didn't have a name, or someone told you the name.
Speaker 3:You're like it looks good, they were testing the inventory.
Speaker 1:They were like guys, this is all the same strain. I want you to call this one, this, this one, that, that one this. And then at the end of the day, they're like all right, it's called this Because it sold the most.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Well, you know we?
Speaker 1:Well, you know, like that, though we got, we got, we got some shit that we weren't expecting, we could do some more news stories, do it. This is kind of what you were talking about, man. How, if we could just go back to what? Oh, this one's about Florida. I had a nearly all patients report improvements after using medical cannabis.
Speaker 2:The.
Speaker 1:Florida one, though, is just. Florida is basically the worst, and so I'm going to just make up what I think the headline is going to be, because of Governor Ron DeSantis legalizes hemp and asks them to campaign against legalization, and then creates a pack and funds it to say don't vote for the abortion or the legalization bill. Uh, this election. It smells bad, and children will take it to school. Go buy hemp at a gas station that's a good guess.
Speaker 2:You nailed it, dude. And the headlines dissentSantis launches Florida Freedom Fund to oppose marijuana legalization ballot initiative as campaign reports millions in new donations. So yeah, they're fighting and talking illegal weed Freedom.
Speaker 1:Your freedom to not get an abortion or smoke weed.
Speaker 3:And there's people funding it with millions of dollars, right, right.
Speaker 1:Well, you know again if I didn't own a cannabis dispensary license, but instead I had licenses for rehab facilities and I had contracts with every prison in the state of Illinois. God that's a great point.
Speaker 3:That would be some cash flow right there. Yeah, no, no, he know the boy.
Speaker 2:You know the description of the title be just how politics play out, but I'm gonna go with, like florida man, florida bands again, but this is the one you're talking about. Uh, the, the, uh.
Speaker 1:The normal article with this is a good article and I think this is kind of where you wanted to go like, where everybody's using it and they're reporting medical benefits, but they don't always say that they're using it for medical purposes.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, all uses medical use man.
Speaker 1:Well, all uses medical use, but it's a survey. Nearly all patients report improvements after using medical cannabis. And this is out of Sydney, Australia, so you know it's not a slanted, biased study. Anyway, 97% of those surveyed say that their condition was much or very much better since starting medical cannabis.
Speaker 3:That sounds very profound. That is quite a large percentage. How many other things that people use medicinally would have such a high reported percentage and what's the sample?
Speaker 1:size.
Speaker 3:Is it three?
Speaker 1:people. Is it 25? It's 3.
Speaker 3:It's 3 300 oh, that's pretty good so that's a pretty good sample size.
Speaker 1:Now, it's one of those deals where I think that natural cannabis needs to be recognized as schedule three and then, uh, you're going to probably see some of the the synthetic stuff because, like you read it and the state and by the state I mean the government in DC, the federal government is putting the words natural and synthetic into the rules that they're putting into Congress right now and promulgating and you can kind of it's not reading tea leaves here. They're telling you what they're saying. And if it's just going to be natural cannabis, that's great. Telling you what they're saying and say if it's just going to be natural cannabis, that's great. I want natural cannabis to be generic and treated specifically different, unique from every other pharmaceutical drug that uses cannabis, because there's like 800 inds pending right now in front of fda. Maybe some of those can start like working their way through. But you know, do you guys?
Speaker 3:think so many like individual medicinal components cannabinoids, terpenes, flavonoids they could all be isolated, recreated and reused in so many different ways that they don't need the natural plant like.
Speaker 2:Leave that to us yeah, well, it's going to be what tom's kind of leading to is. It has to be identified, right. It has to be term of art, put into like an umbrella because there are so many cannabinoids into this. Just the plant itself, right, where you say it is hemp and marijuana. That's why the law has got to make a little baby at the end, because we're going to get a common knowledge. What is real type type? Look at this, right, this law has been fucking horrible dude. I've recently just did an interview with a guy in West Virginia who's about to do time for having the plant. I talked to another guy in jail, right, so this whole thing is not perfect. I can go to the store and, goddamn, buy weed, yeah, in the end, and then, and you know, coming out of your state, there's another one. It has to do with wellness. There's a youth marijuana use in colorado continues to decline since legalization took effect. So this plant has not caused the demise of society. That, no, you know in fact, the opposite.
Speaker 3:I love when these come out because people all everyone had their worries and they all make their big claims and they will read they will still remake these claims for other states that are potentially considering legalization, even after this study has came out. They will still claim that this is what's going to happen More kids are going to start using cannabis, we're going to have more driving accidents. Pretty much, society is just going to go to hell, even though like and so people look up on it and they say well, we've had legalization, recreational use since 2013. Let's see what happened and the numbers just 10 years. They never show 10 years are worried about.
Speaker 1:Yeah, planes haven't come out uh but, and again, though, let's say the population hey, remember, like I can't remember what it's called off the top of my head, and then I had a beverage my choice, while I'm celebrating father's day during this live program that was I understand cheers. Cheers to the fathers out there as well. What do they call that? It's just better if it's illegal, whatever.
Speaker 3:that is when it's prohibited, it makes you want to do it. It's like don't do that, why not?
Speaker 2:I want to do it now. The secret terpene is crime.
Speaker 3:If it's something that your mom and her friends are doing. You don't want to be at the same dispensary as your mom and your aunt, that's not cool anymore.
Speaker 1:It's not, it's not. It used to be illegal and we could do it out back and nobody could find out about it. You see, it's not that anymore. Now it's like oh man, jimmy's really sick. Yeah, he had to get a medical card.
Speaker 3:Oh, he had to get a medical card. Oh, that sucks, yeah. Well, it's not like anything you go do to be a rebellious teenager anymore.
Speaker 2:Well, no, you know it. That's how we see it as people living in 2024 who interface with this plant. But recently there was a story in minnesota, right, I didn't really want to like highlight the story because she had like meth and shit with her. So it's like, you know, that's just a shitty day for you, lady, sorry, but they tested resin in this thing, but she added to her time with this bong water. You know bong and one of the state troopers. This is what this motherfucker testified right 2024,. This happened not that far long ago. The justice relied, in part, on testimony of a Minnesota state patrol officer who claimed that drug users keep bong water for future use, either drinking it or shooting it in the veins. What the fuck?
Speaker 3:What? Wow? All right, the question I ask myself immediately is does he really believe this? Or is he just trying to do scare tactics? Does this fool really believe this?
Speaker 1:to do scare tactics.
Speaker 3:Does this fool?
Speaker 1:really believe this. Has he ever smoked weed from a bong that was dirty and got a whiff of that weed?
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's a good point. Don't put that water in your veins. Hang on.
Speaker 1:Give me that syringe over there. Take it out of that crackhead's arm. Sorry, it's not crack, it's smoke. Take it out of that junkie's arm. I want to mainline that water right there.
Speaker 2:It smells as good as it feels yeah, no, no that's disgusting and that's why we need to reschedule it and get further along for, like all the this, the everything needs to shake up and happen right like I know we're gonna wrap it up here soon, but uh, there's besides the financial one, because it's gonna be to be a positive article. But California is going through a thing right now. Recently our friends at High of Nine got this with the California court rules that a cannabis user is not disqualified of obtaining a concealed weapons permit. So recently this guy's case was let go because of it. So that's a good thing. Seeing this guy's case was let go because of it, that's a good thing. I don't know if you guys have seen it. The other article where some New York Times or LA Times they wrote an article about all these hot testing with pesticides, carts and whatnot.
Speaker 3:Big brands too Stizzy.
Speaker 2:Backpack Boys. They're saying all these guys tested hot. And the reason why I bring this up because, as Tom, we are professionals in our day job, Not the YouTubers that we want to be. Tom's a lawyer and I work in metrology. Now this is my wheelhouse. Come to daddy. Let me tell you what needs to happen because, Backpack Boys, they just did this whole announcement where they denied whatever testing. But the problem is, you guys remember where people were using bad and you need to check what you're using in these products right, Because upon heating up, they can turn into a different.
Speaker 3:You have to contest everything that goes into your product.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So as a lab person, I know that these people were testing these products, you know, and they're going to say, oh no, they bought them from black market. Well, if that's the case and here's the great thing about legalization in anything sue them for liable, for liable, right, like, like. Bring it out to the truth.
Speaker 3:But as far as they're saying that our products that tested heart hot weren't actually our products.
Speaker 1:These were mistakenly bought from the black market exactly I love it no it would have been your brand, but is it?
Speaker 3:that the person conducting the test on this can be misled. Wouldn't it also be just as easy for the average consumer?
Speaker 1:well, that's why the black market is used as a legal defense. Yeah, if you fail a product, you're like hey, our brand is ripped off all the time, we're really popular and it's still a crime, and so, like schedule three makes that legal defense go away. It's like it's not being ripped off. Well, you have the right.
Speaker 3:I mean who?
Speaker 1:is ripping off Budweiser.
Speaker 3:Who's trying to?
Speaker 1:sell hot Budweiser.
Speaker 3:I've never bought a fake.
Speaker 1:To the consumer.
Speaker 2:I would think if LA Times is saying they bought our stuff. We're about to be in the business with product and doing things right.
Speaker 1:Nobody's trying to rip off Illinoisinois weed.
Speaker 2:They're like ah shit illinois, we're going to have good products and we're going to stand by this human consumable product, right and. But people do take shortcuts, because I work in the metrology industry where I've seen shortcuts taken and I see people fudge numbers and people look the other way. But when it's a human consumable product, if you do the right things, it's not that hard. But there's a bandwidth of testing that happens and that needs to be more exposed, and these are the kind of things that I hope to like when we get in our store and do stuff in the future. You know, that's why you come here. We're trying to just give transparency to this industry the business side as well because this is arduous. Man, like if you're in hemp, I'd be figuring out how to, but you also took that step to take the, the, the chance, right.
Speaker 3:All these people are already taking chances and that's all we're going to be doing until everything's descheduled and if the customer comes to feel like they can't deter, they can't trust these tests, then what can the customer trust? Yeah, if you have these people and it's just known that it's rampant that people are just fudging numbers and getting you the results that you want to get if you slide them some little money under the table, then the customer is not left with anything trustworthy anymore. Exactly that's why it's so important.
Speaker 1:The standardization at that level is so important. And then also it's the. I mean it's just so dispersed because it's all at a state by state basis and there's only so many places to test it, and so you'll go to the next one. I mean, we had the same problem with our mortgage-backed securities 15 years ago when the economy melted down, because they thought those you know those big credit default or obligate, you know credit debt obligations CDOs they're called which caused that mortgage foreclosure crisis about 15 years ago. They were all AAA rated from the bond ratios because of how stable their cash flows.
Speaker 1:Nobody's going to default on their mortgage and that was a licensed legal product that was completely abused and we all paid the price for it. So you know, are they still going to be doing this at the federal level or are there going to be ramifications for it? Are there recall ramifications for it? Do they have to pay fines? Will they lose their license?
Speaker 2:that kind of crap yeah, well, if I was the back boys, I wouldn't or whoever I would sue them like, like, like get the receipts. This is the whole part of legalization too Right, if you're a traditional market, you can't sue nobody, but if you're up front and you have a store in the name, you know there's facts to be had, I would definitely pursue legal action if they're slandering my name.
Speaker 3:And I know that I have a reliable product that isn't contaminated like they say. I have a reliable product that isn't contaminated like they say. And they didn't even you know, have you know? They weren't even diligent enough to get a legitimate product that would. I would feel like I would put whatever it takes into that to defend my name. It sort of seems suspect. If they don't actually, don't you think why?
Speaker 1:would you not Right? But then, if they are slipping their own product, what if they're counterfeiting themselves with THC Apex?
Speaker 3:If they're just throwing this shit out there on the street just because they know it's money to be made, that's a very good sign.
Speaker 1:That's so California. But there's just so many different variations of the industry, depending on what state you're looking at, and that I want to stop. You know, it would be lovely if we could just have the rules. You know how difficult it is remembering a new statute every time a state legalizes it. You're like, okay, oh geez, they're doing it this way, oh goodness. But yeah, hey, cool, I really appreciate you coming on the show man. We had a great time chit-chatting with you.
Speaker 3:Thank you, what's going on in your life and what you're doing with the plant? Right now I'm looking for a new grow to get into. Personally, on the channel, I'm wrapping up a grow guide series for home growers, so if you're getting into home growing for the first time, that would be right up your alley. Right behind that, we got a more advanced grow guide and I'm trying to take the channel and expand into some grows here in Denver, because I'm always in grow rooms in Denver, I'm always talking to people in the industry and I realized that I never really show much of that on the channel. So I'm I'm sort of get out of the house. I make a lot of youtube videos in my house.
Speaker 1:I'm trying to get out of the house and get into the for some new content and that'll be some good content, like you may need to do like members and teasers and stuff, because like that is I always the trick of it. We talk about policy, we try not to smoke on the screen, but if you're going to go to like the legit place where it is like, I bet the algorithm says like when you tell people where you are like they might be like up. He's trying to facilitate this. Flag it, you know, and that's a good point.
Speaker 3:Um, I wonder there's that one uh big channel, canna cribs. That's like a whole channel they. They just got a little dispensary. I wonder what the moderation from YouTube looks like on their channel.
Speaker 1:They're in the triangle. The triangle is Vegas, la and then Phoenix. They're more out there where it's probably just easier to find somebody who has sway on YouTube and be like're gonna be doing this, what do we need to do? Um, and and then so like try to do that, but then also do the stuff and they get away with it.
Speaker 1:And I think they get away with it because they probably are doing it for educational purposes and for yeah yeah, that's what we were going to do with the store like we want to do a lot of hey how's your inventory control? How's your systems? What are your SOPs for when you start the?
Speaker 3:day those types of things. I see the things you have to go through, like the nitty-gritty of building this cannabis business. I would love to watch that Dude drug dealing. We'll try.
Speaker 1:Tight.
Speaker 2:Well, even the money-raising part. This is where we're at. We're at the beginning, and then everybody's going to have to do this, whoever's done it. If you're coming from nothing, I had no intention of doing this. When I started with Activism and Tom, we were just trying to share knowledge and help promote his business, and then now I have an opportunity to be in business with him as a partner. We're going to have a store, which you store, which this whole branding thing. It's way different than buying packs and fucking thinking about I'll just flip things. Then we got to think about an HR. Creditors got to make sure fucking people get paid properly and taking care of other people.
Speaker 3:Think about this, though being a business owner is too.
Speaker 1:The business plan includes if it it ain't selling, we change its name. It's like your plan includes going like, yeah, just change this name because that's not working. You know, just just change the name. Trust me, people want to buy this product but they don't want to call that you know the permanent marker. I think would have sold more if they didn't call it permanent marker.
Speaker 3:That's me I don't know. I think I can agree with that it has. It broke me away when I read that. Not unless the guy grew up and was like I like markers. Yeah, I mean, if you're one of those kids who always had the Sharpie lids off and you just got one in each nostril, maybe that really speaks to you.
Speaker 1:You're like yeah, marker, yeah yes, anyway, matt thank you so much for uh joining us. We had a great time. And then uh yeah, thanks, thank you. And then uh tune in. Next week we'll be back with more cannabis legalization news. Yeah.
